On December 28 2014 00:24 Immortall wrote:
Could you enlighten me then? Why would all these pro players run AS quints on a lot of champs when AD could/would be better?

A lot of pro players are creatures of habit or just wait for people to figure something out, put it on a big shiny reddit post or whatnot, and just copy that. AS still does pretty much everything it used to do, it just isn't the best anymore. Unless you're really caring about the minutia of it all, you aren't looking to check unless there is a direct change.

Frudgey

Canada3367 Posts

December 29 2014 05:43 GMT

#105

So I know Darius has never been good jungling material (And some would argue that he isn't even good in lane), but does anyone have any thoughts about Darius jungle in season 5?

On a more relevant note, how is Jarvan in the new jungle? Is he still decent or am I playing all the wrong champions?

Scip

Czech Republic11293 Posts

December 29 2014 08:25 GMT

#106

J4 seems to be one of the most played junglers in pro games, can't comment on Darius.

Gahlo

United States35143 Posts

December 29 2014 11:17 GMT

#107

On December 29 2014 14:43 Frudgey wrote:
So I know Darius has never been good jungling material (And some would argue that he isn't even good in lane), but does anyone have any thoughts about Darius jungle in season 5?

On a more relevant note, how is Jarvan in the new jungle? Is he still decent or am I playing all the wrong champions?

Popular opinion by western pros seems to be that they consider Jarvan and Lee the strongest junglers atm.

catplanetcatplanet

3829 Posts

December 29 2014 15:27 GMT

#108

question about where to start—on lee and a few others, I've felt a lot better with the old red-wolves-blue start on blue side. Having the 1% max hp/5 from the onset usually leaves me healthy enough to gank without backing, sometimes with an extra pot depending on leash strength. (running 21/9/0) Should I basically be doing gromp start purple side and red start blue side?

Scip

Czech Republic11293 Posts

December 29 2014 17:37 GMT

#109

Either Gromp start or Golems start, don't start red unless doing a gimmicky lvl2 gank. Smiting Golems will save you tons of hp with the stun and stuff, way more than smiting Red at the start.

IamPryda

United States1186 Posts

December 30 2014 04:32 GMT

#110

I really like smite gromp-blue-smite red then gank path. Level 3 ganks are far less frequent and also I have gotten so many first bloods by hunting the enemy's jungler super low trying to clear 6 camps before first back

ShaLLoW[baY]

Canada12499 Posts

December 30 2014 08:09 GMT

#111

On December 30 2014 13:32 IamPryda wrote:
I really like smite gromp-blue-smite red then gank path. Level 3 ganks are far less frequent and also I have gotten so many first bloods by hunting the enemy's jungler super low trying to clear 6 camps before first back

yeah, making the other jungler's life hell is my preferred style this season, smite his wraith to take the buff and then ward the fuck out of it and just keep killing him over and over

Basic

Canada288 Posts

January 02 2015 09:46 GMT

#112

Give it a whirl in some normals and tell us how it goes. I might even be tempted to do so. Most of Darius's weakness is that his CC is very short ranged, how ever getting the blue jungle item allows him to CC at a distance which very well make him viable. The Smite slow lets you get close enough to drag with E and slow again with W.

Everything is worth considering, nothing is entirely figured out. Darius has decently good stats, in particular AS, so his clear should be decent and would be a tankier jungle for sure. I would try 9.21.0 first with AD or AS jungle runes

Regards,

Basic

SoSexy

Italy3725 Posts

January 02 2015 13:48 GMT

#113

Meteos is jungling Nidalee right now xD

ShaLLoW[baY]

Canada12499 Posts

January 05 2015 07:51 GMT

#114

on scarra's stream the other day he kept getting killed by EQ "ganks" from enemy jungle jayce

GrandInquisitor

New York City13113 Posts

January 05 2015 15:02 GMT

#115

Is it terrible to try to get away with clearing half a jungle, backing for upgraded Machete, and clearing the other half with the benefit of +20 gold per camp? It risks counterjungling but if you were going to be low health anyway it's both safer and more lucrative to do Golems/Red/Raptors -> base -> Gromp/Blue/Wolves.

Gahlo

United States35143 Posts

January 05 2015 15:11 GMT

#116

On January 06 2015 00:02 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Is it terrible to try to get away with clearing half a jungle, backing for upgraded Machete, and clearing the other half with the benefit of +20 gold per camp? It risks counterjungling but if you were going to be low health anyway it's both safer and more lucrative to do Golems/Red/Raptors -> base -> Gromp/Blue/Wolves.

All depends on if you think your opponent is going to be aware of the timing and try to exploit it.

MidnightGladius

China1214 Posts

January 05 2015 18:59 GMT

#117

Machete itself gives +10 gold from big monsters, so you're only getting 30 extra gold by backing after 3 camps for the upgraded +20 gold from big monsters. There are certainly reasons to aim for clearing different numbers of camps at the start, but I don't think the 30 gold should be at the front of your mind when making that decision. I'd personally be more concerned about the gold thresholds from clearing 3/6 camps, the jungle match-up and risk of dying at camps 4-6, and when and where you intend to go for your first gank.

Basic

Canada288 Posts

January 06 2015 20:10 GMT

#118

Due to the start on frog instead of Blue, my room mate and I have been exploiting the smiteless blue by having our own team hard leash our red, killing it with out smite, walking over to the enemy jungle dropping a ward and smiting blue away from them. I fully expect this play to become common place in not too long and for us to see a switch back to blue or red first.

Regards,

Basic

Prog

United Kingdom1470 Posts

January 06 2015 20:14 GMT

#119

Hard leashes to kill a camp without smite may (or may not) be decent for the jungler, but they certainly destroy your own botlane if they have to help with the leash. They cannot do their golems anymore, lose the race for lvl2 and therefore control of the lane.

Edit: Might work on red side though if their jungler starts frog and you start red with top & mid leashing.
Edit2: Stealing buffs is also not that big of a deal for most junglers anymore, because the smaller creeps next to the buffcreep give a lot more xp than in season 4. So a buffsteal is not so bad in terms of xp.

Scip

Czech Republic11293 Posts

January 06 2015 20:51 GMT

#120

On January 07 2015 05:10 Basic wrote:
Due to the start on frog instead of Blue, my room mate and I have been exploiting the smiteless blue by having our own team hard leash our red, killing it with out smite, walking over to the enemy jungle dropping a ward and smiting blue away from them. I fully expect this play to become common place in not too long and for us to see a switch back to blue or red first.

Regards,

Basic

That's fairly unlikely to become standard as any lvl1 ward around those places in the river will make that ineffective