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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
December 27 2014 13:13 GMT
#101
No it doesn't, the magic dmg gets applied over 2 seconds, your attack speed doesn't matter for that.
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Immortall
Profile Joined January 2012
Netherlands124 Posts
December 27 2014 15:24 GMT
#102
Could you enlighten me then? Why would all these pro players run AS quints on a lot of champs when AD could/would be better?
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-27 15:28:31
December 27 2014 15:27 GMT
#103
2 main reasons

either its better on the particular champ despite the lack of synergy with machete or the pros are wrong
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
December 29 2014 04:46 GMT
#104
On December 28 2014 00:24 Immortall wrote:
Could you enlighten me then? Why would all these pro players run AS quints on a lot of champs when AD could/would be better?

A lot of pro players are creatures of habit or just wait for people to figure something out, put it on a big shiny reddit post or whatnot, and just copy that. AS still does pretty much everything it used to do, it just isn't the best anymore. Unless you're really caring about the minutia of it all, you aren't looking to check unless there is a direct change.
Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
December 29 2014 05:43 GMT
#105
So I know Darius has never been good jungling material (And some would argue that he isn't even good in lane), but does anyone have any thoughts about Darius jungle in season 5?

On a more relevant note, how is Jarvan in the new jungle? Is he still decent or am I playing all the wrong champions?
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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
December 29 2014 08:25 GMT
#106
J4 seems to be one of the most played junglers in pro games, can't comment on Darius.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
December 29 2014 11:17 GMT
#107
On December 29 2014 14:43 Frudgey wrote:
So I know Darius has never been good jungling material (And some would argue that he isn't even good in lane), but does anyone have any thoughts about Darius jungle in season 5?

On a more relevant note, how is Jarvan in the new jungle? Is he still decent or am I playing all the wrong champions?

Popular opinion by western pros seems to be that they consider Jarvan and Lee the strongest junglers atm.
catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3837 Posts
December 29 2014 15:27 GMT
#108
question about where to start—on lee and a few others, I've felt a lot better with the old red-wolves-blue start on blue side. Having the 1% max hp/5 from the onset usually leaves me healthy enough to gank without backing, sometimes with an extra pot depending on leash strength. (running 21/9/0) Should I basically be doing gromp start purple side and red start blue side?
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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
December 29 2014 17:37 GMT
#109
Either Gromp start or Golems start, don't start red unless doing a gimmicky lvl2 gank. Smiting Golems will save you tons of hp with the stun and stuff, way more than smiting Red at the start.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
December 30 2014 04:32 GMT
#110
I really like smite gromp-blue-smite red then gank path. Level 3 ganks are far less frequent and also I have gotten so many first bloods by hunting the enemy's jungler super low trying to clear 6 camps before first back
Moar banelings less qq
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
December 30 2014 08:09 GMT
#111
On December 30 2014 13:32 IamPryda wrote:
I really like smite gromp-blue-smite red then gank path. Level 3 ganks are far less frequent and also I have gotten so many first bloods by hunting the enemy's jungler super low trying to clear 6 camps before first back


yeah, making the other jungler's life hell is my preferred style this season, smite his wraith to take the buff and then ward the fuck out of it and just keep killing him over and over
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Basic
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada288 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-02 09:47:43
January 02 2015 09:46 GMT
#112
On December 29 2014 14:43 Frudgey wrote:
So I know Darius has never been good jungling material (And some would argue that he isn't even good in lane), but does anyone have any thoughts about Darius jungle in season 5?

On a more relevant note, how is Jarvan in the new jungle? Is he still decent or am I playing all the wrong champions?


Give it a whirl in some normals and tell us how it goes. I might even be tempted to do so. Most of Darius's weakness is that his CC is very short ranged, how ever getting the blue jungle item allows him to CC at a distance which very well make him viable. The Smite slow lets you get close enough to drag with E and slow again with W.

Everything is worth considering, nothing is entirely figured out. Darius has decently good stats, in particular AS, so his clear should be decent and would be a tankier jungle for sure. I would try 9.21.0 first with AD or AS jungle runes

Regards,

Basic
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
January 02 2015 13:48 GMT
#113
Meteos is jungling Nidalee right now xD
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
January 05 2015 07:51 GMT
#114
on scarra's stream the other day he kept getting killed by EQ "ganks" from enemy jungle jayce
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GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
January 05 2015 15:02 GMT
#115
Is it terrible to try to get away with clearing half a jungle, backing for upgraded Machete, and clearing the other half with the benefit of +20 gold per camp? It risks counterjungling but if you were going to be low health anyway it's both safer and more lucrative to do Golems/Red/Raptors -> base -> Gromp/Blue/Wolves.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
January 05 2015 15:11 GMT
#116
On January 06 2015 00:02 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Is it terrible to try to get away with clearing half a jungle, backing for upgraded Machete, and clearing the other half with the benefit of +20 gold per camp? It risks counterjungling but if you were going to be low health anyway it's both safer and more lucrative to do Golems/Red/Raptors -> base -> Gromp/Blue/Wolves.

All depends on if you think your opponent is going to be aware of the timing and try to exploit it.
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-05 19:00:08
January 05 2015 18:59 GMT
#117
Machete itself gives +10 gold from big monsters, so you're only getting 30 extra gold by backing after 3 camps for the upgraded +20 gold from big monsters. There are certainly reasons to aim for clearing different numbers of camps at the start, but I don't think the 30 gold should be at the front of your mind when making that decision. I'd personally be more concerned about the gold thresholds from clearing 3/6 camps, the jungle match-up and risk of dying at camps 4-6, and when and where you intend to go for your first gank.
Trust in Bayes.
Basic
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada288 Posts
January 06 2015 20:10 GMT
#118
Due to the start on frog instead of Blue, my room mate and I have been exploiting the smiteless blue by having our own team hard leash our red, killing it with out smite, walking over to the enemy jungle dropping a ward and smiting blue away from them. I fully expect this play to become common place in not too long and for us to see a switch back to blue or red first.

Regards,

Basic
Prog
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom1470 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-06 20:25:32
January 06 2015 20:14 GMT
#119
Hard leashes to kill a camp without smite may (or may not) be decent for the jungler, but they certainly destroy your own botlane if they have to help with the leash. They cannot do their golems anymore, lose the race for lvl2 and therefore control of the lane.

Edit: Might work on red side though if their jungler starts frog and you start red with top & mid leashing.
Edit2: Stealing buffs is also not that big of a deal for most junglers anymore, because the smaller creeps next to the buffcreep give a lot more xp than in season 4. So a buffsteal is not so bad in terms of xp.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
January 06 2015 20:51 GMT
#120
On January 07 2015 05:10 Basic wrote:
Due to the start on frog instead of Blue, my room mate and I have been exploiting the smiteless blue by having our own team hard leash our red, killing it with out smite, walking over to the enemy jungle dropping a ward and smiting blue away from them. I fully expect this play to become common place in not too long and for us to see a switch back to blue or red first.

Regards,

Basic

That's fairly unlikely to become standard as any lvl1 ward around those places in the river will make that ineffective
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