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Looking at kda is bad.You can carry by being negative it is 100% irrelevant.
That said I watched your thresh game where you went 2/8/10.First of all get the proper runes,don't start with a ward,don't use flay on leona before she uses e for absolutely no reason and you just played the lane very poorly overall.Then you buy mobo boots first back and don't do any roaming at all.Buy pink wards and ward better you basically gave 0 vision to your team.You rushed a crucible and didn't use it in 2 fights instead of getting a locket since your jungler didn't get it and you played fights very poorly with bad positioning/flays/hooks.Honestly you could've easily gone legendary pre 10 minutes considering how bad enemy bot lane was and how poor their itemization was.
Too lazy to watch other games and the lb one didn't work for some reason.
In most of your games you fed more than your teammates so don't see how are you "carrying".
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On February 08 2015 01:20 DarkCore wrote:I just can't win no matter what I do in my games, already been demoted once, not planning to go fall even further from grace, so I think I'm going to take a step back and analzye my play a bit. I was wondering if anyone can go through some of my last game replays (just one is fine), and tell me how I could have carried better. I've already though of some things to do, but tbh it's just so unbelievably frustrating when you are out farming your opponent and don't see the need to make risky plays, while the entire team flames and feeds, and straight up loses the game for me. http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=ulimitedpower
Watching the Janna game:
Don't use scaling AP quints on any champion ever. Don't start with a ward; start with 3 health pots and 1 mana pot. You play extremely passively, particularly at level 1 when there's no threat from Leona. You provide zero pressure and sometimes shield Graves at random times when nothing's really happening. If it's been 7 minutes and you've only been hit by a single auto from Caitlyn and you aren't Soraka, something's wrong.
Work on helping your ADC CS under tower; he misses a bunch that you could have helped with.
On your first back you buy boots, a ruby crystal and two wards. This makes no sense. You could have gotten sightstone or nomad's, which would also give you movement speed and extra gold.
You make a good flash play onto Annie to get your team the kill, but then your positioning when your team is taking dragon is awful. You shield yourself despite not taking dragon aggro and play like you're super scared of Leona and Cait so they just walk up kill and Vi. If you were properly positioned, you could ult them away, but since you're so far back you actually ult them into Vi while healing nobody. You could also stand in the dragon pit and ult Sejuani away to prevent her from trying to steal while also healing Vi.
Your sightstone use could definitely use some work. It takes 10 minutes before you have more than one charge of it missing at a time. There are multiple times when there are bushes around you that the enemy team will likely be near and you just don't ward them. In particular, when you almost get caught by Leona and Annie when trying to go into the river, you just don't ward that bush, then when they chase you, you also don't ward the bush inside your jungle. So now there are two enemies in your jungle and you have zero wards in there. When you're taking dragon later, you don't ward the pixel bush and they use that to engage on you.
Overall it looks like you lose the game because your top laner got wrecked (I didn't see the last few minutes because the replay kept crashing), but you definitely have a lot of stuff you can improve on.
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On February 08 2015 11:00 nafta wrote:
Looking at kda is bad.You can carry by being negative it is 100% irrelevant.
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"You can carry by being negative" =/= it is 100 irrelevant to look at KDA
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Thanks guys, really appreciate it.
your CS numbers are also not drastically ahead of your opponents
Actually I did out cs some of those games during the laning phase, which is why I felt no need to go and kill the enemy champion if it wasn't very easy. But many of my games involved the other lanes losing incredibly hard (Often before the 10 minute mark), which meant that this advantage was lost. I'm also not very good at csing with AP champions (mid lane), but it's getting better.
a statistically poor win (not actually that bad but not great for an ADC)
That was a 20 minute game where I got carried by a pretty fed mid laner, but I still did a lot of damage. It's not a very good example.
3/9/3 loss
1/4/11 loss
5/17/7 loss
2/9/3 loss
1/7/18 loss
5/9/3 loss
6/10/5 loss
A lot of those games were very poorly played by me, I agree. That was a series of games where I did not very badly, got put into match ups I'm not conformable with against ppl who knew how to play their champions. By the time I took a break it had already cost me a lot of LP.
First of all get the proper runes
Thanks for the suggestion, I've been wanting to overhaul my runes for a while. I can't actually find some of the things you said though, the first time I flayed Leona we almost killed her, perhaps I should have played far more agressive, usually I do as Thresh. And I bought wards on my first back, mobo on my second. Usually I do roam after that specific buy, but it's not easy catching out a Malz who sits far behind his creeps, so I roamed mid after my first death.
Don't use scaling AP quints on any champion ever.
I'm saving up for support runes atm, think those were temporary runes for AP bc I don't have those either.
You play extremely passively, particularly at level 1 when there's no threat from Leona.
Yeah the lv 1 was pretty bad of me, the reason I went amulet that game was bc I've had a lot of bad experiences with Leona and harassing her (it's also Cait, she's going to outpoke us if we try to trade), and the MS buff is great for Vi/Jax/Zed. I did mess up most of the early shields, nervous fingers T_T
And yeah, that game was hopeless anyway, their Vlad mowed through our team in fights by two shotting anyone who got near him, he did half his team's damage and their Cait just had to sit and AA while he tanked everything we threw at him.
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I'm a newish player and I play support a decent amount. I've tried several, but the three I've liked best were Nami, Morgana, and Jana (in that order).
Right now I basically pick among them at random, or as the mood strikes me. My question is when is each one of them a better or worse choice? What factors about my team should lean me towards one or another? Thanks
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Nami when you have poke/long range, need sustain, want to harass, even if you want to all in (Nami, imo, is the best support in the game, but very, very hard to play) .. goes great with Caitlyn, Ezreal, Jinx, Draven. But pretty much any champ you're paired with is going to appreciate the sustain.
Morgana is good for locking up, engaging yourself, negating spells (obviously). I'd pick her if you see a Braum, Thresh, Blitz, Vi, Leona, ... on the enemy team. Goes well with pretty much anyone imo.
Janna is just broken. Safe ass support, peels extremely well, only downside is engage. Maybe best with Graves/Cait/Jinx, but she works with everyone since she's so diverse (kinda like Nami)
Bottomline is, I wouldn't recommend you picking Nami/Janna against hard engage strong all in comps or duo's, unless you're very comfortable with the matchups. 1 engage whether it's a hook or a dash may end you if you're not prepared.
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Is it becoming standard to buy Ghostblade on ADCs second item? I have been watching Sneaky and Gosu play and they seem to buy it really often after IE.
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Depends on the adc. On Graves, for instance, you see it all the time. On Caitlyn on the other hand I never see an adc buy ghostblade.
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Ghostblade is just a powerspike thing.
You get relevant in midgame teamfights earlier, so for the adcs that actually want to fight around that time (Graves) can go for it.
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Zed player here.
How on earth do I lane vs Azir. Azir is perhaps the biggest lane bully Riot has created, and his damage is nothing to be laughed at. His soldiers can harass me for decent damage from a good range. If I go to him with my W he can just relocate his soldier and he can bump into me, giving him a shield.
Zed players, what to do?
EDIT: Apologies for slightly off topic question but I was just promoted from Plat 4 to Plat 2 when I won my Plat 4 promos. How is this possible, skipping Plat 3? I have even heard of cases where people from Silver 5 got promoted to Silver 3, skipping 4.
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On February 11 2015 18:39 TwoOOneThree wrote:
Zed player here.
How on earth do I lane vs Azir. Azir is perhaps the biggest lane bully Riot has created, and his damage is nothing to be laughed at. His soldiers can harass me for decent damage from a good range. If I go to him with my W he can just relocate his soldier and he can bump into me, giving him a shield.
Zed players, what to do?
EDIT: Apologies for slightly off topic question but I was just promoted from Plat 4 to Plat 2 when I won my Plat 4 promos. How is this possible, skipping Plat 3? I have even heard of cases where people from Silver 5 got promoted to Silver 3, skipping 4.
so for laning against azir you need jungle pressure pre 6 then all in him a bunch post 6 and you win
skipping divisions is normal if your mmr is reasonably higher
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As a support, what do you do if your ADC is terrible? Like they pick teemo and charge forward into danger going 0-5 in the first 8 to 10 minutes. I've had other not quite as bad ADCs, but it does seem to be pretty common to get really incompetent ADCs (maybe 1 out of 4-6 games).
In other roles, if someone on your team is bad, you can try to really play extra tight, build an advantage in your area, and carry late. But it seems like a support with a worthless ADC is nearly worthless no matter how well you do or by how much you outplay the other support.
Things I have tried:
- give up on bot lane and just go support mid or top and they can usually get some kills or knock down a tower with the 2v1 edge. Problem is my ADC can lose hard enough to make their ADC unstoppable late
- give up on the support role and just start taking CS and going for kills. With someone like Morgana this means that our team can get at least 1 decent fighter late game out of the bottom lane instead of zero. Problem is that this is only an option with some supports, Janna and Nami can't really become late game AP killing machines like Morgana does..
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Just keep on playing exactly like you would with a decent adc. Doing something completely different will only make the situation worse, potentialy tilt the adc or provoke flames. You can also try to get your team to group up as much as possible, so that the adc is not picked of on his own.
The only change I usually make in this situations is to reevalue peeling priorities. Very likely the bad adc is behind in items and won't do too much damage, so I'll rather peel for my (hopefully strong) midlaner.
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On February 19 2015 02:42 General_Winter wrote:
As a support, what do you do if your ADC is terrible? Like they pick teemo and charge forward into danger going 0-5 in the first 8 to 10 minutes. I've had other not quite as bad ADCs, but it does seem to be pretty common to get really incompetent ADCs (maybe 1 out of 4-6 games).
In other roles, if someone on your team is bad, you can try to really play extra tight, build an advantage in your area, and carry late. But it seems like a support with a worthless ADC is nearly worthless no matter how well you do or by how much you outplay the other support.
Things I have tried:
- give up on bot lane and just go support mid or top and they can usually get some kills or knock down a tower with the 2v1 edge. Problem is my ADC can lose hard enough to make their ADC unstoppable late
- give up on the support role and just start taking CS and going for kills. With someone like Morgana this means that our team can get at least 1 decent fighter late game out of the bottom lane instead of zero. Problem is that this is only an option with some supports, Janna and Nami can't really become late game AP killing machines like Morgana does..
don't play support unless you duo queue with a consistent AD player
it's easier to carry a terrible AD from mid or jungle instead
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On February 19 2015 04:03 Frolossus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 02:42 General_Winter wrote:
As a support, what do you do if your ADC is terrible? Like they pick teemo and charge forward into danger going 0-5 in the first 8 to 10 minutes. I've had other not quite as bad ADCs, but it does seem to be pretty common to get really incompetent ADCs (maybe 1 out of 4-6 games).
In other roles, if someone on your team is bad, you can try to really play extra tight, build an advantage in your area, and carry late. But it seems like a support with a worthless ADC is nearly worthless no matter how well you do or by how much you outplay the other support.
Things I have tried:
- give up on bot lane and just go support mid or top and they can usually get some kills or knock down a tower with the 2v1 edge. Problem is my ADC can lose hard enough to make their ADC unstoppable late
- give up on the support role and just start taking CS and going for kills. With someone like Morgana this means that our team can get at least 1 decent fighter late game out of the bottom lane instead of zero. Problem is that this is only an option with some supports, Janna and Nami can't really become late game AP killing machines like Morgana does..
don't play support unless you duo queue with a consistent AD player it's easier to carry a terrible AD from mid or jungle instead
That is one of the most wrong thing I ever read on this forum. The support has huge impact and most adcs can definitely be carried by a support. I should know, I am a diamond support main who pretty much never duos with adcs.
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Just think about the situation and think about how much can you prevent the ad from feeding and how many realistic good roams you can do.If your team is winning just try to ward and protect ad to not feed too much and if you are losing just completely ignore him and focus everything on getting someone fed.If I feel like my ad is bad I just use all my wards for mid and just stay bot when they are pushing to help him get the xp otherise don't even bother staying bot at all.Obviously talking about the 3 champs you mentioned.
Also try positioning so you don't take too much of the solo's xp if you decided to just ignore bot because setting a mage too behind in xp can be a problem later as well.
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On February 19 2015 04:12 Prog wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 04:03 Frolossus wrote:On February 19 2015 02:42 General_Winter wrote:
As a support, what do you do if your ADC is terrible? Like they pick teemo and charge forward into danger going 0-5 in the first 8 to 10 minutes. I've had other not quite as bad ADCs, but it does seem to be pretty common to get really incompetent ADCs (maybe 1 out of 4-6 games).
In other roles, if someone on your team is bad, you can try to really play extra tight, build an advantage in your area, and carry late. But it seems like a support with a worthless ADC is nearly worthless no matter how well you do or by how much you outplay the other support.
Things I have tried:
- give up on bot lane and just go support mid or top and they can usually get some kills or knock down a tower with the 2v1 edge. Problem is my ADC can lose hard enough to make their ADC unstoppable late
- give up on the support role and just start taking CS and going for kills. With someone like Morgana this means that our team can get at least 1 decent fighter late game out of the bottom lane instead of zero. Problem is that this is only an option with some supports, Janna and Nami can't really become late game AP killing machines like Morgana does..
don't play support unless you duo queue with a consistent AD player it's easier to carry a terrible AD from mid or jungle instead That is one of the most wrong thing I ever read on this forum. The support has huge impact and most adcs can definitely be carried by a support. I should know, I am a diamond support main who pretty much never duos with adcs.
i'm not saying it's impossible to do. but i think that it's significantly easier to carry those guys if you go to mid or jungle. especially in a lower elo bracket because you can roam bot constantly and capitalize on the fact that your AD is bad. as opposed to playing support where you'd already have a handicap to begin with.
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If you want to carry as support, play Annie. The range on her autos makes it pretty easy to harass in lane, and hten you just build a lot of damage and kill people.
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On February 19 2015 14:50 GolemMadness wrote:
If you want to carry as support, play Annie. The range on her autos makes it pretty easy to harass in lane, and hten you just build a lot of damage and kill people.
Vel'Koz better for snipin people.
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However, the question was "what do you do as a support when your adc is terrible". "Don't play support" or "pick champion x" is not an answer to that question!
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