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Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
January 14 2013 07:03 GMT
#161
Yeah... 1:1 soul ratio for his Q damage is pretty disgusting if you get some attack speed and magic penetration. Malady probably one of the best items for that build. So either a pure damage build which would be like Zerkers(or Sorcs) --> Malady --> Wit's --> Frozen Mallet? Honestly I think that's kind of dumb.. and the way the ability works I'm pretty sure Hurricane wouldn't work (is he even classified as ranged for that? His auto attack is really strange because it's ranged range, but it's a melee sort of animation.)

Better to get at least some tankiness though I would think.
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KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
January 14 2013 07:15 GMT
#162
can I applies as intern???
Vallelol
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1046 Posts
January 14 2013 13:45 GMT
#163
On January 14 2013 12:44 57 Corvette wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 20:35 ChaoSbringer wrote:
On January 13 2013 17:20 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Full AP champ bot lane as support to provide CC by straight up killing the laner is the meta I want to make happen in NA

Let's do it, brand/xer/leblanc/nid bot
Cass + Morg is the true OP.


Annie/Katarina. Try it.

Also, I am trying to figure out what compositions Jungle Syndra and Mid Maokai fit in.


Mid Maokai actually works in a lot of comps since you have good dmg, utility and teamfightpresence (RoA, Abyssal, Frozen Gauntlet Build). You just need a toplaner with good dmg and a jungler who can follow on your root (Jarvan and Chogath worked really well when I was playing mao).

On the botlane duo ap topic: Me and my friends actually play AP Yi bot right now with any good CC Supporter like lux, zyra, blitz, alistar, leona. It works pretty well and you even have more AD with Yi's E than most AD Carries for several levels
Sc2eleazar
Profile Joined February 2012
United States70 Posts
January 15 2013 16:23 GMT
#164
Discussion: Jungle Ezreal
Builds, jungle style, team comps

Jungle Ezreal was brought up in a recent AMA with a pro jungler. He seemed quite favorable of the prospect. As a jungler who's only adc when I had to play that role was Ezreal for the longest time, the concept intrigues me.

Ezreal brings a ton of poke to a team comp, a low-cooldown blink, passive self-as buff, and an additional cdr trigger (1sec off all cd timers each time Q lands ). Also his global ult has produced numerous "where did that come from?!" moments.

On initial testing he seems like he can handle jungle. He'll likely want a hard blue leash and he'll need to rush madreds+vamp scepter for jungle clearing/sustain but once he gets rolling he can single target clear quickly.

So fellow TROLLS how can we turn Ezreal from "wtf troll pick trololol" to "no jungle ez? Lol low elo scrub"?
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
January 15 2013 21:27 GMT
#165
Been doing jungle ezreal since S1 with dontmashme
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
JALbert
Profile Joined March 2011
United States484 Posts
January 15 2013 22:33 GMT
#166
It's more of a sidenote since jungle mechanics have changed so much, but this video from one of my favorite players in S1 opened my eyes to how much you could squeeze out of ranged jungling with solid mechanics:
Stealing Nashor Podcast - http://stealingnashor.libsyn.com | Stupid build enthusiast
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
January 15 2013 23:38 GMT
#167
Been trying TanKass in ranked. I've been successful so far. I still need to better adapt when I need damage early, and when I want tankiness early. A couple times I've built frozen heart instead of IBG, which is really really nice to just jump in and shut down their AD carry with.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 16 2013 00:01 GMT
#168
On January 16 2013 01:23 Sc2eleazar wrote:
Discussion: Jungle Ezreal
Builds, jungle style, team comps

Jungle Ezreal was brought up in a recent AMA with a pro jungler. He seemed quite favorable of the prospect. As a jungler who's only adc when I had to play that role was Ezreal for the longest time, the concept intrigues me.

Ezreal brings a ton of poke to a team comp, a low-cooldown blink, passive self-as buff, and an additional cdr trigger (1sec off all cd timers each time Q lands ). Also his global ult has produced numerous "where did that come from?!" moments.

On initial testing he seems like he can handle jungle. He'll likely want a hard blue leash and he'll need to rush madreds+vamp scepter for jungle clearing/sustain but once he gets rolling he can single target clear quickly.

So fellow TROLLS how can we turn Ezreal from "wtf troll pick trololol" to "no jungle ez? Lol low elo scrub"?


Playstyle/team fight role is the first and most important consideration, as it defines what builds/team compositions he'll fit into. It may be that multiple styles can work depending on circumstances, but we should start with one style and see how far we can take it before being distracted by any others.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 16 2013 05:42 GMT
#169
On January 16 2013 09:01 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 01:23 Sc2eleazar wrote:
Discussion: Jungle Ezreal
Builds, jungle style, team comps

Jungle Ezreal was brought up in a recent AMA with a pro jungler. He seemed quite favorable of the prospect. As a jungler who's only adc when I had to play that role was Ezreal for the longest time, the concept intrigues me.

Ezreal brings a ton of poke to a team comp, a low-cooldown blink, passive self-as buff, and an additional cdr trigger (1sec off all cd timers each time Q lands ). Also his global ult has produced numerous "where did that come from?!" moments.

On initial testing he seems like he can handle jungle. He'll likely want a hard blue leash and he'll need to rush madreds+vamp scepter for jungle clearing/sustain but once he gets rolling he can single target clear quickly.

So fellow TROLLS how can we turn Ezreal from "wtf troll pick trololol" to "no jungle ez? Lol low elo scrub"?


Playstyle/team fight role is the first and most important consideration, as it defines what builds/team compositions he'll fit into. It may be that multiple styles can work depending on circumstances, but we should start with one style and see how far we can take it before being distracted by any others.

I really like the utility IBG build that Saint runs, pretty sure he throws a BC in there as well. Takes a while to get the gold, but once you have IBG you have the massive utility with sacrificing the damage on the ADC.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 19:07:29
January 16 2013 19:06 GMT
#170
anyone up for rank 5s?
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
January 16 2013 19:26 GMT
#171
On January 14 2013 10:46 Mondeezy wrote:
What you guys think of Support Urgot?

Good poke & very useful ult post 6.

I played with support urgot yesterday when I was viktor mid. He lacked the ability to do anything but ult and he doesn't either have the damage to provide any sort of threat after he ults or he doesn't have any defense to do anything but get blown up instantly with a few skills.

The guy was terrible and It did have fantastic gank support with some nice zoneing ability so maybe with a good build you could do something nice. try it out more and build things for it.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 21:21:49
January 16 2013 20:41 GMT
#172
REMINDER: Official testing day is Friday at 23:00 GMT (+00:00), but anyone is free to arrange tests and report results during the rest of the week, and/or do solo testing.

The current testing topics are:
  • Glacial Kassadin
  • Jungle Ezreal
  • Duo Kill Lanes
  • AD carry-less Team Compositions
  • Carry Junglers

I'll report that due to extenuating circumstances Miscue and I ended up running a Jayce/Zilean bot-lane. To make a long story short, we dominated a Leona/Draven bottom lane and managed to carry an incompetent Pantheon (ult into enemy team which has just barely started Baron, HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO) and a Jungle Twitch who ignored everyone instantly and preferred split pushing (and dying to Draven) to fighting with the team.

I submit for review that the mobility, harass, 2v2 dominance, and later-game utility of the Jayce/Zilean lane makes it a prime candidate for our kill lane and AD-less composition studies.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
January 16 2013 20:49 GMT
#173
I am not sure if Jayce qualifies for the term AD-less.

I shall do extensive testing and calibration on the nature of Jayce, ADs, and life in general.

Expect results in about 8 years. I shall now take my leave and research upon this in the wild steppes of EUNE
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 16 2013 20:52 GMT
#174
By "AD-less" do you mean full AP/magic damage, or AD carry-less?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
January 16 2013 20:55 GMT
#175
Yeah.. I wouldn't call Jayce AD-carry-less either, he's pretty much a hybrid bruiser AD carry. I've gone bot lane with him before too, with me as J4 and we absolutely dominated. You get the kill power of a double bruiser bot lane, and you still get something of an AD carry for the late game.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
January 16 2013 20:59 GMT
#176
FYI, I would like to modify IBG Kass to be more Glacial Kass. Both IBG and Frozen Heart are good on him, it just depends on what you need.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 16 2013 21:21 GMT
#177
On January 17 2013 05:52 Alaric wrote:
By "AD-less" do you mean full AP/magic damage, or AD carry-less?


I meant AD carry-less.

You can take any champion with a ranged Auto-attack, build BT + Zeal + LW on them, and call them an AD carry. The point isn't to find alternative AD carries on which to use current builds but to have no champion building like a traditional AD carry at all.

Case in point, my Jayce Build was Long Sword + 2 Pot -> Boots + Faerie -> Tear -> Manamune -> Catalyst -> Negatron -> BV + Chainvest -> Glacial -> Phage -> Sheen -> Trinity. If my team had more magic damage I probably would have built like an AD bruiser instead (rushing BC and the like). Neither of those are traditional AD carry builds, and as such if it weren't for the jungle Twitch my team would not have had an AD carry.

There's tangential research we could do into examining the potential of bruiser-esque builds on certain AD carries (e.g. Graves, Caitlyn), but we should avoid getting pinned down in semantic squabbles over what the definition of an AD carry actually is.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
January 16 2013 21:25 GMT
#178
I absolutely love the way Monte presents everything. I am really looking forward to what comes out of this. I'll try to help out as an unskilled test subject too
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 22:43:15
January 16 2013 22:12 GMT
#179
So an AS build for Vayne, or on-hit for Kog/Varus doesn't count as AD, right?

As for tank Kassadin relying on FH, it was already used by somebody near the start of s2, his summoner name was Utahime I believe but I can't remember who he is on TL. 5HIT probably did it too. Maybe they can give ideas about it.
Utahime is probably Southlight iirc, but I haven't seen him post in awhile so I don't even know if he visits TL LoL anymore.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 17 2013 07:13 GMT
#180
Support Nasus.

That is all.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
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