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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
January 22 2013 02:23 GMT
#281
On January 22 2013 10:46 Two_DoWn wrote:
The big key with a "carry" jungle is simply the lanes.

If you want to run someone you want to get farmed, you need strong lanes that wont demand constant attention. You really cant run a carry jungle with the rest of the tests because the only way to really end up with a farmed jungler is to run boring shit you know will win in lane and let the jungler do his thing.


the whole idea of the carry jungler is innately pretty boring. 40min of farming neutral creeps and trying not to get interrupted is not the most fascinating strategy. I mean thats the advantage because laning against red buff and occasionally clearing a lane is alot safer than actually laning, but its also pretty lame. Also fuck tryndamere.

yorick
zilean
something something
tyndamere

everyone builds crucible
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-22 04:51:51
January 22 2013 03:32 GMT
#282
On January 22 2013 11:23 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 10:46 Two_DoWn wrote:
The big key with a "carry" jungle is simply the lanes.

If you want to run someone you want to get farmed, you need strong lanes that wont demand constant attention. You really cant run a carry jungle with the rest of the tests because the only way to really end up with a farmed jungler is to run boring shit you know will win in lane and let the jungler do his thing.


the whole idea of the carry jungler is innately pretty boring. 40min of farming neutral creeps and trying not to get interrupted is not the most fascinating strategy. I mean thats the advantage because laning against red buff and occasionally clearing a lane is alot safer than actually laning, but its also pretty lame. Also fuck tryndamere.

yorick
zilean
something something
tyndamere

everyone builds crucible


That's why I'm shifting the concept more towards the XJ9 style. It's not only easier in terms of coordination and champion picks, but it's less boring for the jungler and less stressful for the team.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
January 22 2013 03:55 GMT
#283
oh I forgot the morgana, gotta get that black shield in there.

Yorick top
Morgana mid
IBG Ez bot
Zilean support
Tryndamere as king of the jungle

everyone builds crucible
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
January 22 2013 05:44 GMT
#284
Kayle would be a much stronger pick than Morgana IMO
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
LazyFailKid
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada750 Posts
January 22 2013 05:57 GMT
#285
On January 22 2013 14:44 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Kayle would be a much stronger pick than Morgana IMO

Take them both
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
January 22 2013 06:09 GMT
#286
There are a number of mids that can safely farm mid without any jungler support: Morgana, Lux, TF (Those are my most played mids, coincidentally), Kayle is strong right now, Nidalee is safe in any lane once she reaches 6, Ahri is completely safe once she hits 6, Orianna is fairly safe. And that's just the AP mids, J4 is pretty damn good at escaping, Zed, Lee.. The real trick is figuring out what your team composition needs depending on your particular carry jungler. If you're actually going for a glass cannon jungler, then you probably want some pretty strong CCers and Peelers in a few spots on your team.(like J4 or Morgana, and not Nidalee)
3.
LazyFailKid
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada750 Posts
January 22 2013 06:35 GMT
#287
Any opinions about jungle swain? Solid ganks with 2 CC skills and benefits from new jungle changes. Only really problem is pre-6 dueling and 1st clear sustain/clear time probably.
CatharsisUT
Profile Joined March 2011
United States487 Posts
January 22 2013 07:33 GMT
#288
On January 22 2013 15:35 LazyFailKid wrote:
Any opinions about jungle swain? Solid ganks with 2 CC skills and benefits from new jungle changes. Only really problem is pre-6 dueling and 1st clear sustain/clear time probably.


I see the appeal, but man that first clear seems like it'd take forever. I guess, tho, that if you put a few levels in the root for aoe the attack modifier on E is kinda like an attack damage steroid. Still, would like to see a time.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
January 22 2013 07:40 GMT
#289
Aspd runes on swain used to be core on top swain lol
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 22 2013 08:37 GMT
#290
Effective immediately, all suggestions pertaining to potential jungle champions must include some legwork. Jungling is the single most testable part of the game for an individual. You are researchers, and I expect you to research.

Any researchers failing to follow this rule, as evidenced by the champion's complete inability to clear the jungle, will be forced to jungle the champion live, on stream, complete with my withering commentary.

Apt name LazyFailKid, apt name.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Haasts
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand4445 Posts
January 22 2013 09:22 GMT
#291
On January 22 2013 16:33 CatharsisUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 15:35 LazyFailKid wrote:
Any opinions about jungle swain? Solid ganks with 2 CC skills and benefits from new jungle changes. Only really problem is pre-6 dueling and 1st clear sustain/clear time probably.


I see the appeal, but man that first clear seems like it'd take forever. I guess, tho, that if you put a few levels in the root for aoe the attack modifier on E is kinda like an attack damage steroid. Still, would like to see a time.


Just had a quick muck-around in a custom on the PBE (9/12/9 masteries, AP/AS/Armor/AP runes*) - the cooldown on W early is absolutely brutal, and the uptime of E isn't that great; could clear wolves/blue/wraiths/wolves with a machete/5 start but it nearly ended me, and was, er, cripplingly slow.

Speaking of Swain, was just doing a PBE bot game to keep my account active, and the bots were irritatingly efficient at Kayle ulting an ulted Swain after he'd nearly been burst down, grrr. Who needs Zhonya's Hourglass?

* my old Maokai runepage - oh dear, if you're looking to depress yourself, try to jungle as Maokai with the shifting around of HP totals in the current jungle, ugh.
PaniaoftheReef in Path of Exile TotA SSF SC // Lovelin fanclub // GreenTea #1
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
January 22 2013 15:11 GMT
#292
AD Kennen
17/13/0
statikk shiv
barrier/ignite
cool beans
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-22 18:05:47
January 22 2013 18:04 GMT
#293
[dblade] + BOTRK + Hurricane as core DPS items on Kog'maw. Seems like it would do exceptionally well against the FOTM Warmogs, but maths out to seem pretty good even vs more normal bruiser builds (those with "only" 2.5k hp and additional resists)

Yeah, you won't do quite as much damage as IEPD, but you'll be a lot more capable to man up when a bruiser jumps on your face (something Kog has to deal with pretty often.) And the teamfight range+power of Bio-Arcane+BOTRK+Hurricane seems pretty intense.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14211 Posts
January 22 2013 18:17 GMT
#294
the problem with a botrk hurricane build is that bortk only does more damage then a thirster when its the only item that your building, otherwise the pure stats of a thirster outpreforms it with scaleing. Also a hurricane has very unreliable aoe for the extra shots to shoot. often times you'll only be hitting one person or if your lucky 2. Its more for a heavy farm item like on trsit who really wants to power up to 6 items.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
necrosed
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil885 Posts
January 22 2013 19:08 GMT
#295
It just crossed my mind that we could write an article about poking and sieging. Going deep into poking strategies and what you can accomplish by running compositions focused in that.
I'll need some help. Any takers?
Shadow of his former self.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
January 22 2013 19:54 GMT
#296
On January 23 2013 03:17 Sermokala wrote:
the problem with a botrk hurricane build is that bortk only does more damage then a thirster when its the only item that your building, otherwise the pure stats of a thirster outpreforms it with scaleing. Also a hurricane has very unreliable aoe for the extra shots to shoot. often times you'll only be hitting one person or if your lucky 2. Its more for a heavy farm item like on trsit who really wants to power up to 6 items.

That's only true if you're talking about crit scaling. AS scales just fine with BOTRK, as does ArPen. And the breakpoint on current health for BT damage vs BOTRK damage (without crit) is ~1.6k health.
Haasts
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand4445 Posts
January 22 2013 23:00 GMT
#297
Fairly conventional thing to test, but I wouldn't mind seeing a Flash/Teleport Galio in a 1v2 lane, especially with the slated PBE buffs to his Q.
PaniaoftheReef in Path of Exile TotA SSF SC // Lovelin fanclub // GreenTea #1
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 22 2013 23:20 GMT
#298
On January 22 2013 17:37 Seuss wrote:
Effective immediately, all suggestions pertaining to potential jungle champions must include some legwork. Jungling is the single most testable part of the game for an individual. You are researchers, and I expect you to research.

Any researchers failing to follow this rule, as evidenced by the champion's complete inability to clear the jungle, will be forced to jungle the champion live, on stream, complete with my withering commentary.

Apt name LazyFailKid, apt name.

Hey, TF was judged to still be possible.

You just need a really big pull. And to not be against a counterjungler.

Research done.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
January 23 2013 00:16 GMT
#299
Just a heads up, Galio is really strong already if you are good with his skillshots and I expect to see him be picked a lot in upcoming patches.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 23 2013 22:49 GMT
#300
i can joinz?

i want to play non traditional supports n stuff.
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