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On January 22 2013 10:46 Two_DoWn wrote:
The big key with a "carry" jungle is simply the lanes.
If you want to run someone you want to get farmed, you need strong lanes that wont demand constant attention. You really cant run a carry jungle with the rest of the tests because the only way to really end up with a farmed jungler is to run boring shit you know will win in lane and let the jungler do his thing.
the whole idea of the carry jungler is innately pretty boring. 40min of farming neutral creeps and trying not to get interrupted is not the most fascinating strategy. I mean thats the advantage because laning against red buff and occasionally clearing a lane is alot safer than actually laning, but its also pretty lame. Also fuck tryndamere.
yorick
zilean
something something
tyndamere
everyone builds crucible
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On January 22 2013 11:23 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 10:46 Two_DoWn wrote:
The big key with a "carry" jungle is simply the lanes.
If you want to run someone you want to get farmed, you need strong lanes that wont demand constant attention. You really cant run a carry jungle with the rest of the tests because the only way to really end up with a farmed jungler is to run boring shit you know will win in lane and let the jungler do his thing. the whole idea of the carry jungler is innately pretty boring. 40min of farming neutral creeps and trying not to get interrupted is not the most fascinating strategy. I mean thats the advantage because laning against red buff and occasionally clearing a lane is alot safer than actually laning, but its also pretty lame. Also fuck tryndamere. yorick zilean something something tyndamere everyone builds crucible
That's why I'm shifting the concept more towards the XJ9 style. It's not only easier in terms of coordination and champion picks, but it's less boring for the jungler and less stressful for the team.
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oh I forgot the morgana, gotta get that black shield in there.
Yorick top
Morgana mid
IBG Ez bot
Zilean support
Tryndamere as king of the jungle
everyone builds crucible
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Kayle would be a much stronger pick than Morgana IMO 
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On January 22 2013 14:44 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Kayle would be a much stronger pick than Morgana IMO
Take them both 
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There are a number of mids that can safely farm mid without any jungler support: Morgana, Lux, TF (Those are my most played mids, coincidentally), Kayle is strong right now, Nidalee is safe in any lane once she reaches 6, Ahri is completely safe once she hits 6, Orianna is fairly safe. And that's just the AP mids, J4 is pretty damn good at escaping, Zed, Lee.. The real trick is figuring out what your team composition needs depending on your particular carry jungler. If you're actually going for a glass cannon jungler, then you probably want some pretty strong CCers and Peelers in a few spots on your team.(like J4 or Morgana, and not Nidalee)
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Any opinions about jungle swain? Solid ganks with 2 CC skills and benefits from new jungle changes. Only really problem is pre-6 dueling and 1st clear sustain/clear time probably.
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On January 22 2013 15:35 LazyFailKid wrote:
Any opinions about jungle swain? Solid ganks with 2 CC skills and benefits from new jungle changes. Only really problem is pre-6 dueling and 1st clear sustain/clear time probably.
I see the appeal, but man that first clear seems like it'd take forever. I guess, tho, that if you put a few levels in the root for aoe the attack modifier on E is kinda like an attack damage steroid. Still, would like to see a time.
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Aspd runes on swain used to be core on top swain lol
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Effective immediately, all suggestions pertaining to potential jungle champions must include some legwork. Jungling is the single most testable part of the game for an individual. You are researchers, and I expect you to research.
Any researchers failing to follow this rule, as evidenced by the champion's complete inability to clear the jungle, will be forced to jungle the champion live, on stream, complete with my withering commentary.
Apt name LazyFailKid, apt name.
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On January 22 2013 16:33 CatharsisUT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 15:35 LazyFailKid wrote:
Any opinions about jungle swain? Solid ganks with 2 CC skills and benefits from new jungle changes. Only really problem is pre-6 dueling and 1st clear sustain/clear time probably. I see the appeal, but man that first clear seems like it'd take forever. I guess, tho, that if you put a few levels in the root for aoe the attack modifier on E is kinda like an attack damage steroid. Still, would like to see a time.
Just had a quick muck-around in a custom on the PBE (9/12/9 masteries, AP/AS/Armor/AP runes*) - the cooldown on W early is absolutely brutal, and the uptime of E isn't that great; could clear wolves/blue/wraiths/wolves with a machete/5 start but it nearly ended me, and was, er, cripplingly slow.
Speaking of Swain, was just doing a PBE bot game to keep my account active, and the bots were irritatingly efficient at Kayle ulting an ulted Swain after he'd nearly been burst down, grrr. Who needs Zhonya's Hourglass?
* my old Maokai runepage - oh dear, if you're looking to depress yourself, try to jungle as Maokai with the shifting around of HP totals in the current jungle, ugh.
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AD Kennen
17/13/0
statikk shiv
barrier/ignite
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[dblade] + BOTRK + Hurricane as core DPS items on Kog'maw. Seems like it would do exceptionally well against the FOTM Warmogs, but maths out to seem pretty good even vs more normal bruiser builds (those with "only" 2.5k hp and additional resists)
Yeah, you won't do quite as much damage as IEPD, but you'll be a lot more capable to man up when a bruiser jumps on your face (something Kog has to deal with pretty often.) And the teamfight range+power of Bio-Arcane+BOTRK+Hurricane seems pretty intense.
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the problem with a botrk hurricane build is that bortk only does more damage then a thirster when its the only item that your building, otherwise the pure stats of a thirster outpreforms it with scaleing. Also a hurricane has very unreliable aoe for the extra shots to shoot. often times you'll only be hitting one person or if your lucky 2. Its more for a heavy farm item like on trsit who really wants to power up to 6 items.
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It just crossed my mind that we could write an article about poking and sieging. Going deep into poking strategies and what you can accomplish by running compositions focused in that.
I'll need some help. Any takers?
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On January 23 2013 03:17 Sermokala wrote:
the problem with a botrk hurricane build is that bortk only does more damage then a thirster when its the only item that your building, otherwise the pure stats of a thirster outpreforms it with scaleing. Also a hurricane has very unreliable aoe for the extra shots to shoot. often times you'll only be hitting one person or if your lucky 2. Its more for a heavy farm item like on trsit who really wants to power up to 6 items.
That's only true if you're talking about crit scaling. AS scales just fine with BOTRK, as does ArPen. And the breakpoint on current health for BT damage vs BOTRK damage (without crit) is ~1.6k health.
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Fairly conventional thing to test, but I wouldn't mind seeing a Flash/Teleport Galio in a 1v2 lane, especially with the slated PBE buffs to his Q.
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On January 22 2013 17:37 Seuss wrote:
Effective immediately, all suggestions pertaining to potential jungle champions must include some legwork. Jungling is the single most testable part of the game for an individual. You are researchers, and I expect you to research.
Any researchers failing to follow this rule, as evidenced by the champion's complete inability to clear the jungle, will be forced to jungle the champion live, on stream, complete with my withering commentary.
Apt name LazyFailKid, apt name.
Hey, TF was judged to still be possible.
You just need a really big pull. And to not be against a counterjungler.
Research done.
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Just a heads up, Galio is really strong already if you are good with his skillshots and I expect to see him be picked a lot in upcoming patches.
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i can joinz?
i want to play non traditional supports n stuff.
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