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On January 22 2013 17:37 Seuss wrote:
Effective immediately, all suggestions pertaining to potential jungle champions must include some legwork. Jungling is the single most testable part of the game for an individual. You are researchers, and I expect you to research.
Any researchers failing to follow this rule, as evidenced by the champion's complete inability to clear the jungle, will be forced to jungle the champion live, on stream, complete with my withering commentary.
Apt name LazyFailKid, apt name.
But what if we don't own the champ and want to see if he can do something in the jungle?
CRUEL CRUEL PUNISHMENT
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On January 24 2013 11:25 LazyFailKid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 17:37 Seuss wrote:
Effective immediately, all suggestions pertaining to potential jungle champions must include some legwork. Jungling is the single most testable part of the game for an individual. You are researchers, and I expect you to research.
Any researchers failing to follow this rule, as evidenced by the champion's complete inability to clear the jungle, will be forced to jungle the champion live, on stream, complete with my withering commentary.
Apt name LazyFailKid, apt name. But what if we don't own the champ and want to see if he can do something in the jungle? CRUEL CRUEL PUNISHMENT
Then you're free to seek out a research partner.
Ogawd SOCIALIZATION!
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On January 24 2013 12:45 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 11:25 LazyFailKid wrote:On January 22 2013 17:37 Seuss wrote:
Effective immediately, all suggestions pertaining to potential jungle champions must include some legwork. Jungling is the single most testable part of the game for an individual. You are researchers, and I expect you to research.
Any researchers failing to follow this rule, as evidenced by the champion's complete inability to clear the jungle, will be forced to jungle the champion live, on stream, complete with my withering commentary.
Apt name LazyFailKid, apt name. But what if we don't own the champ and want to see if he can do something in the jungle? CRUEL CRUEL PUNISHMENT Then you're free to seek out a research partner. Ogawd SOCIALIZATION!
THINK OF THE INTROVERTS!!
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On January 24 2013 12:45 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 11:25 LazyFailKid wrote:On January 22 2013 17:37 Seuss wrote:
Effective immediately, all suggestions pertaining to potential jungle champions must include some legwork. Jungling is the single most testable part of the game for an individual. You are researchers, and I expect you to research.
Any researchers failing to follow this rule, as evidenced by the champion's complete inability to clear the jungle, will be forced to jungle the champion live, on stream, complete with my withering commentary.
Apt name LazyFailKid, apt name. But what if we don't own the champ and want to see if he can do something in the jungle? CRUEL CRUEL PUNISHMENT Then you're free to seek out a research partner. Ogawd SOCIALIZATION!
But the best way to find someone who is willing to help test is in the test thread itself!
But where do I look T_T Monte plz be research partner
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You can ask for help here, just be explicit about it. I was just mad because I wasted 20 minutes trying to make jungle Swain work thinking you'd tried it before posting.
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Denmark697 Posts
Jungle Poppy...
Spirit stone and tabi is all the sustain you need, and with the focus shifting to single target junglers, her clear speed is not horrible (starting wolves without help is very slow though).
The ganks are brutal and you can duel quite a few invaders well, but clear speed never gets to mundo or udyr level unless you invest in hydra.
I have tried a 8/22/0 setup with attack speed reds, armor blues and yellows and move speed quints (might shift to a more damage oriented mastery setup).
Skill order is Q-W-Q-E -> R>Q>W>E.
Any legitimacy, or am I way off?
I would love to get to play Poppy in a place where you aren't "hard countered" half the time.
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How fast does she clear? Post some times. Didn't you see what Monte just said
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A bro of mine likes to jungle poppy.
It's not bad.
Cleartime is average, but thanks to passive, you can clear even with low hp (as long as you know enemy jungle isn't near//enemy jungle doesn't have heavy dot)
Her ganks are pretty good. Esp. if you really abuse the E. Downside is, it's still a buggy skill...
Skillorder was WQE IIRC. Not sure though.
E on level 3 pretty necessary though, gotta get them ganks.
Once level 6, TOWERDIVE TOP on ult cd. Recieve a million kills/assists
YEAH
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Poppy with Nidalee heal-- synergy is pretty good.
Morde mid + zilean support with a top/jungle with good peel and a regular old AD (doesn't even matter if he has no escape).
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I've got some free time tonight: I intend to go down my list of champions and do first clear experiments on all of them. I will post my results here.
Disclaimer: I'm level 28 and have 2 rune pages [as red/quint, armor yellow, ap blue] [ad red/quint, armor yellow, mr/lvl blue]. I will be running my defense jungle masteries (7/21/0) on everyone unless after first try I feel they would fair better with different ones. I will post clear times (if successful), skill choice, and general comments of how they felt.
This experiment might calm some of the jungle experimentation waters
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United States15536 Posts
On January 25 2013 02:45 Sc2eleazar wrote:
I've got some free time tonight: I intend to go down my list of champions and do first clear experiments on all of them. I will post my results here.
Disclaimer: I'm level 28 and have 2 rune pages [as red/quint, armor yellow, ap blue] [ad red/quint, armor yellow, mr/lvl blue]. I will be running my defense jungle masteries (7/21/0) on everyone unless after first try I feel they would fair better with different ones. I will post clear times (if successful), skill choice, and general comments of how they felt.
This experiment might calm some of the jungle experimentation waters
Leash/no leash? And how does timing clear work? From first spawn of first camp? (1:37/1:5~, right?)
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I'm in a streaming mood tonight so if Soniv and I can't find something fun to cast, mebbe we can do some TROLL testing.
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On January 25 2013 02:57 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 02:45 Sc2eleazar wrote:
I've got some free time tonight: I intend to go down my list of champions and do first clear experiments on all of them. I will post my results here.
Disclaimer: I'm level 28 and have 2 rune pages [as red/quint, armor yellow, ap blue] [ad red/quint, armor yellow, mr/lvl blue]. I will be running my defense jungle masteries (7/21/0) on everyone unless after first try I feel they would fair better with different ones. I will post clear times (if successful), skill choice, and general comments of how they felt.
This experiment might calm some of the jungle experimentation waters Leash/no leash? And how does timing clear work? From first spawn of first camp? (1:37/1:5~, right?)
No leash (solo custom games), timing will be end of route time (for consistency wolves -> blue -> wraiths -> golems -> red -> wraiths) I will be doing known junglers as well for timing comparisons. Unless otherwise noted I will be running flash/smite although I may also experiment with heal and/or barrier
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Why does one of your pages have AS red/quints and AP blues? Is it for a specific champ?
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On January 25 2013 02:57 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 02:45 Sc2eleazar wrote:
I've got some free time tonight: I intend to go down my list of champions and do first clear experiments on all of them. I will post my results here.
Disclaimer: I'm level 28 and have 2 rune pages [as red/quint, armor yellow, ap blue] [ad red/quint, armor yellow, mr/lvl blue]. I will be running my defense jungle masteries (7/21/0) on everyone unless after first try I feel they would fair better with different ones. I will post clear times (if successful), skill choice, and general comments of how they felt.
This experiment might calm some of the jungle experimentation waters Leash/no leash? And how does timing clear work? From first spawn of first camp? (1:37/1:5~, right?)
When junglers talk about clear times they almost always use absolute game time. So one would say something like, "Thresh has a pretty slow clear, finishing at 4:05 even if you Smite early to abuse Executioner."
On January 25 2013 03:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm in a streaming mood tonight so if Soniv and I can't find something fun to cast, mebbe we can do some TROLL testing.
I'm sure we can arrange something if people are around and up to it.
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On January 25 2013 04:06 Alaric wrote:
What does one of your pages have AS red/quints and AP blues? Is it for a specific champ?
I originally the only difference was as vs ad. Then I bought ap runes so I use it for champs like amumu. Most of the champs I would use the as page on wouldn't mind a little ap especially with fewer people running ap of late due to bruiser meta shift
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On January 25 2013 04:09 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 02:57 AsmodeusXI wrote:On January 25 2013 02:45 Sc2eleazar wrote:
I've got some free time tonight: I intend to go down my list of champions and do first clear experiments on all of them. I will post my results here.
Disclaimer: I'm level 28 and have 2 rune pages [as red/quint, armor yellow, ap blue] [ad red/quint, armor yellow, mr/lvl blue]. I will be running my defense jungle masteries (7/21/0) on everyone unless after first try I feel they would fair better with different ones. I will post clear times (if successful), skill choice, and general comments of how they felt.
This experiment might calm some of the jungle experimentation waters Leash/no leash? And how does timing clear work? From first spawn of first camp? (1:37/1:5~, right?) When junglers talk about clear times they almost always use absolute game time. So one would say something like, "Thresh has a pretty slow clear, finishing at 4:05 even if you Smite early to abuse Executioner." Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 03:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm in a streaming mood tonight so if Soniv and I can't find something fun to cast, mebbe we can do some TROLL testing.
I'm sure we can arrange something if people are around and up to it.
i should be around tonight, and i'm down for some testing
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On January 25 2013 04:32 Sc2eleazar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 04:06 Alaric wrote:
What does one of your pages have AS red/quints and AP blues? Is it for a specific champ? I originally the only difference was as vs ad. Then I bought ap runes so I use it for champs like amumu. Most of the champs I would use the as page on wouldn't mind a little ap especially with fewer people running ap of late due to bruiser meta shift
Just a heads up, mpen is better on amumu jungle than aspd 
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On January 25 2013 05:52 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 04:32 Sc2eleazar wrote:On January 25 2013 04:06 Alaric wrote:
What does one of your pages have AS red/quints and AP blues? Is it for a specific champ? I originally the only difference was as vs ad. Then I bought ap runes so I use it for champs like amumu. Most of the champs I would use the as page on wouldn't mind a little ap especially with fewer people running ap of late due to bruiser meta shift Just a heads up, mpen is better on amumu jungle than aspd
Ill keep that in mind as I expand my runes. I don't get to play a whole lot (3-4 games a day when I get to play) so I don't get a lot of ip. There will also be a number of champions missing in this test. I've dropped a fair chunk into RP which has mostly gone to champs but the IP from making it to 28 - the ip for 45 runes and 6 quints means I'm still missing a number of champs
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On January 25 2013 05:30 Terranasaur wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 04:09 Seuss wrote:On January 25 2013 02:57 AsmodeusXI wrote:On January 25 2013 02:45 Sc2eleazar wrote:
I've got some free time tonight: I intend to go down my list of champions and do first clear experiments on all of them. I will post my results here.
Disclaimer: I'm level 28 and have 2 rune pages [as red/quint, armor yellow, ap blue] [ad red/quint, armor yellow, mr/lvl blue]. I will be running my defense jungle masteries (7/21/0) on everyone unless after first try I feel they would fair better with different ones. I will post clear times (if successful), skill choice, and general comments of how they felt.
This experiment might calm some of the jungle experimentation waters Leash/no leash? And how does timing clear work? From first spawn of first camp? (1:37/1:5~, right?) When junglers talk about clear times they almost always use absolute game time. So one would say something like, "Thresh has a pretty slow clear, finishing at 4:05 even if you Smite early to abuse Executioner." On January 25 2013 03:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm in a streaming mood tonight so if Soniv and I can't find something fun to cast, mebbe we can do some TROLL testing.
I'm sure we can arrange something if people are around and up to it. i should be around tonight, and i'm down for some testing
I appreciate the offer but these will all be solo run first clear tests
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