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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
January 25 2013 16:30 GMT
#341
I think if you're going to do a carry jungler then Urgot is an amazing bot lane, because he's such an early bully, can build damage+tanky items like glacial fist or whatever, and his late game damage problem is not important.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 25 2013 16:58 GMT
#342
FRIDAY TEST AGENDA: 01/25/2013
  • General Concepts:
    • Carry Jungling (Revised)
    • Pseudo AD Carries
    • AP Duo Lanes
    • Junglers as Laners

  • Specific Subjects:
    • Double/Triple Hook
    • Clairvoyance

  • And more!

Official testing begins at 23:00 GMT (+00:00). If you cannot be present by that time then come whenever you can. We'll be testing so long as we have researchers, so it will continue for entire evening and into the night presuming there is interest. All testing will be coordinated from the TROLLS chat channel and through TeamLiquid's TeamSpeak.

We will have multiple test groups and/or in-houses depending on the number of people present. As it is unlikely that the number of researchers will be an exact multiple of 5, one or more groups may sortie with unsuspecting pubs.

I will stream all tests that I am a part of at http://www.twitch.tv/montegomerylol.

Details:

Carry Jungling (Revised):
As indicated in previous posts, I'm putting the kibosh on the "farm forever" carry jungle style. While the value of jungle farm has increased, it's does not appear to have reached a point where the gains from perpetually farming the jungle match the losses from never ganking.

Instead we will be using a style that actively ganks and taxes lanes when doing so. Some guidelines:
  • Never spend more than 5 seconds setting up for a gank.
  • Cover lanes whenever possible, but do not needlessly push unless you can guarantee a reset.
  • Tax lanes based on the success of a gank and the lane's lead (less if your lane is struggling).
  • Favor mid picks which can do well without blue buff.
For today's tests I do not intend on being very particular about what champion or type of champion is used for jungling, so long as they have decent ganks, decent clear speeds, and are reasonably threatening with a large farm advantage.


Pseudo AD Carries:
After putting so much effort into ill-fated kill lanes last week, I'd like to take a break and approach the problem from a different angle. Instead of completely eschewing AD carries, we will be testing ranged bruisers (Urgot, Nidalee, Jax, etc.) and/or bruiser-built AD carries (Graves, Draven, Vayne, etc.). Options include but are not limited to the champions listed in parentheticals.


AP Duo Lanes:
The subject hasn't been discussed much in the last few pages, but shifting AP champions bottom lane is an idea I'd like to test. However, I'd like attempt this specifically when it affords an opportunity to counter-counter-pick AD caster/assassin mids (e.g. Talon, Kha'zix), or when we're using a ranged AD carry jungle.


Junglers as Laners:
It has been suggested that some junglers, such as Nocturne, could function well in the lane given the opportunity. If there is time or opportunity, this can be tested.


Double/Triple Hook:
I'm curious just how obnoxious having Thresh, Blitzcrank, and Nautilus all on the same team might be. There's nothing more to it than that.


Clairvoyance:
It has been suggested that some tests include the use of Clairvoyance as it's an underappreciated summoner spell. If there's an opportunity we may do so.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
January 25 2013 17:13 GMT
#343
Gonna miss ANOTHER test day this week AND next week. RL sux.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Sc2eleazar
Profile Joined February 2012
United States70 Posts
January 25 2013 17:18 GMT
#344
As for the carry jungle idea, my prelim testing says they might be able to jungle...with a support with a heal. I can see running an adc with taric or alistar..maybe sona. Run a heavy safe bruiser in the 2v1 lane (Olaf seems to be the current king of this) run a low economy jungler/top (fiddle/nunu/etc) against the "top" and mid lane run conventionally. Tax the low economy lane and try to set up hard ganks there. Pressure the 2v1 lane to keep it under control. Could be done.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-25 17:25:04
January 25 2013 17:24 GMT
#345
On January 26 2013 02:13 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Gonna miss ANOTHER test day this week AND next week. RL sux.


Are you gone the whole evening? Last week we tested until 05:00 GMT (+00:00).
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
January 25 2013 17:40 GMT
#346
On January 26 2013 02:24 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 02:13 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Gonna miss ANOTHER test day this week AND next week. RL sux.


Are you gone the whole evening? Last week we tested until 05:00 GMT (+00:00).


Yaya. ='( Global Game Jam tonight and vacation in SF next week. I SHALL TEST SOON.

+ Show Spoiler +
just not that soon ='(
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6182 Posts
January 25 2013 17:52 GMT
#347
How can you sign in.. I help
n_n
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 25 2013 18:00 GMT
#348
Just show up in the TROLLS chat channel and/or TeamLiquid's TeamSpeak. Fun times will ensue.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14056 Posts
January 25 2013 18:14 GMT
#349
I will be there for testing probably. I would elect that the first kill lane concept tested would be my special secret monster bot lane combo of Jarvan/draven.

1. draven does a ton of physical damage in burst from his q and sustained damage from his passive
2. Jarvan does a ton of physical damage in burst from his q and sustained damage from his passive

Draven can go a full armor pen rune set because he doesn't need ad to comfortably farm while he use's a large boost on his base damage from axe farming. Jarvan can provide armor shred that makes dravens armor pen feel good about itself.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
January 25 2013 19:01 GMT
#350
I'l be online tonight, hopefully I am able to contribute to more than just one game. In the possibility that we do a draft pick game for whichever reason, I have ~95 champions, so I will most likely be able to trade champions with those who fear being counterpicked. The champions I do not own are as follows:
+ Show Spoiler +
Malzahar
Nocturne
Orianna
Renekton
Rengar
Riven
Rumble
Shyvana
Skarner
Talon
Thresh
Trundle
Varus
Vladimir
Volibear
Wukong
Yorick
Zed
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
lilwisper
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2515 Posts
January 25 2013 19:04 GMT
#351
On January 26 2013 01:58 Seuss wrote:
Double/Triple Hook:
I'm curious just how obnoxious having Thresh, Blitzcrank, and Nautilus all on the same team might be. There's nothing more to it than that.


I believe it should be a requirement that whenever there is a chance for a multihook situation, all parties that hook must yell out "Get Over Here!!!!!!!!" in their best Scorpion voice. Single hook situations could be left up to the individual player as to if they want to yell it.
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6182 Posts
January 25 2013 19:09 GMT
#352
On January 26 2013 03:00 Seuss wrote:
Just show up in the TROLLS chat channel and/or TeamLiquid's TeamSpeak. Fun times will ensue.

ok cool, I'll be there :D
n_n
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 25 2013 19:36 GMT
#353
On January 26 2013 04:01 57 Corvette wrote:
I'l be online tonight, hopefully I am able to contribute to more than just one game. In the possibility that we do a draft pick game for whichever reason, I have ~95 champions, so I will most likely be able to trade champions with those who fear being counterpicked. The champions I do not own are as follows:
+ Show Spoiler +
Malzahar
Nocturne
Orianna
Renekton
Rengar
Riven
Rumble
Shyvana
Skarner
Talon
Thresh
Trundle
Varus
Vladimir
Volibear
Wukong
Yorick
Zed

It's 'k, you have Blitzcrank, all shall be fine according to last week.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
JALbert
Profile Joined March 2011
United States484 Posts
January 25 2013 19:47 GMT
#354
Re: CV

I am shocked that CV hasn't seen use on competitive team comps reliant on forcing lane swaps (2v1 top or mid) that would get crushed if the opponent guesses the swap and also swaps back to 2v2. CV lets you guarantee the initial setup, and also CV for the gank/counter gank on that first big tower push where a 3v1 dive is threatened.

However, I think that safety is likely unneeded in most non-competitive games as lane swaps are so rare.

Stealing Nashor Podcast - http://stealingnashor.libsyn.com | Stupid build enthusiast
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 25 2013 22:29 GMT
#355
Testing begins in 30 minutes. See you in TeamSpeak/TROLLS.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
January 25 2013 22:52 GMT
#356
Vi is absolutely the best jungler for this test, IMO. Very good with farm, clears very fast, needs blue, has guaranteed ganks every minute (after 6) and also has a lot of damage.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
January 25 2013 23:21 GMT
#357
Monte your smile is infectious.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
January 25 2013 23:28 GMT
#358
I can't believe I watched a chain grab actually work (exactly as planned too).
Bora Pain minha porra!
necrosed
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil885 Posts
January 26 2013 00:59 GMT
#359
I can't believe there's another Brazillian in TL LoL forums! o_o
Shadow of his former self.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
January 26 2013 03:41 GMT
#360
I can't believe there are so many stains on the toilets. Who the hell can't aim?
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
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