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Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
January 19 2013 14:44 GMT
#241
You guys didn't run Leona Pantheon? Or J4? having Leona plus bruiser is strong
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
January 19 2013 15:24 GMT
#242
league of resets
yi kha trist kat
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11549 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-19 15:59:07
January 19 2013 15:58 GMT
#243
+ darius?

If you manage to kill any enemy, you just won the teamfight.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13984 Posts
January 19 2013 16:09 GMT
#244
I would have suggested a Khaziz/nami bot lane. Or a jarvan/nami bot lane where the jarvan builds full damage and in both case's the nami farms when plays arn't happening. Would require a lot of corrdination and forethought with the bot lane duo.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
January 19 2013 16:10 GMT
#245
Did somebody of you already try Nasus Support?
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-19 16:30:07
January 19 2013 16:29 GMT
#246
Apparently the main group did Nasus/Garen as a dunk lane but it didn't work for whatever reason.

Soniv and I tested Nasus + Ad extensively, though I'm not really sure how accurate results are given skill levels and whatnot.

I'll do a full write-up later, but for now, all you need to know is it's hella fun, and people don't expect it to be as strong as it is....

Edit: i forgot! You guys can see for yourselves and make your own judgements!
http://www.twitch.tv/tlcastinggolems/b/358038921
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Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
January 19 2013 16:32 GMT
#247
On January 20 2013 01:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
Apparently the main group did Nasus/Garen as a dunk lane but it didn't work for whatever reason.

Soniv and I tested Nasus + Ad extensively, though I'm not really sure how accurate results are given skill levels and whatnot.

I'll do a full write-up later, but for now, all you need to know is it's hella fun, and people don't expect it to be as strong as it is....

Edit: i forgot! You guys can see for yourselves and make your own judgements!
http://www.twitch.tv/tlcastinggolems/b/358038921


I havent looked at it yet because of IEM but I tried some things in aram and it was pretty good. People were like "why nasus he is bad" but after the game "nasus is good, or way better than i thought"
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11549 Posts
January 19 2013 16:41 GMT
#248
Everything works in arams, because the average aramer is incredibly bad.
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
January 19 2013 16:54 GMT
#249
On January 20 2013 01:41 Simberto wrote:
Everything works in arams, because the average aramer is incredibly bad.


in Korea the arams gamer are actually pretty good. Many people play only this mode.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-19 17:41:41
January 19 2013 17:04 GMT
#250
On January 20 2013 01:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
Apparently the main group did Nasus/Garen as a dunk lane but it didn't work for whatever reason.

Soniv and I tested Nasus + Ad extensively, though I'm not really sure how accurate results are given skill levels and whatnot.

I'll do a full write-up later, but for now, all you need to know is it's hella fun, and people don't expect it to be as strong as it is....

Edit: i forgot! You guys can see for yourselves and make your own judgements!
http://www.twitch.tv/tlcastinggolems/b/358038921

Is that the Trist/Nasus session? Saw it live (and Soniv Trist-ulting Elise into your tower right after you made it out just so he can get a double at the cost of your life D: bad Soniv), even though it was a pretty unorthodox bot lane (hey, you could say they tried a kill lane too!) and the skill gap was obvious, a high-level wither was actually surprisingly strong on providing survivability against opponents without a solid spell burst (or once you survived said burst). This also probably means the lane's pretty weak against stuff like Taric and Leona early on (and Urgot no care about no AS debuffs, too. Dude's going to be FotM soon, even without the drafts to support him).


Edit: about AD-less comps/kill lanes:
What about using lane swaps for this? Some of us theorized that Nami's kit would fit a melee+support meta better than ranged+support (easier bounces on W, less poke taken for her, E makes more sense on a melee with a gapcloser to stick... ), so going top with Nami+melee champ benefitting from farm as much as/rather than levels, and using a champion able to 1v2 bot (ranged or melee, doesn't matter, though ranged champs would still help in taking towers).
Maybe Jayce could be used with Nami too, so you still have range, a champion scaling well with farm, and the ability to go melee for easy bounces.
Thresh's range makes it seem like he'd be more at ease with melee lanes than ranged lanes too.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13984 Posts
January 19 2013 17:17 GMT
#251
On January 20 2013 01:10 Chexx wrote:
Did somebody of you already try Nasus Support?

I was forced to do it first time in a ranked game (long story guy only had half a dozen champs and got counter picked top) was varus nasus (me) vs cow mf. really the cow couldn't do anything to me and mf got gimped so hard by wither it wasn't even funny. When you ult you can't die and to heal up you can just swat at the minions when its safe.

pretty good I think.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
January 19 2013 17:25 GMT
#252
I think banning taric and ezreal then picking Leona + X would be best for a dunk lane
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11549 Posts
January 19 2013 17:27 GMT
#253
Who cares about taric, you can easily dunk taric as leona. Zyra is what you should be worried about, because if zyra survives until 6 and then gets a ruby or two, you can suddenly no longer engage in lane as leona because they still win the allin because zyra counterinitiation is so strong.
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
January 19 2013 17:44 GMT
#254
Tariff stun ruins engagement and his armor buff is strong. If your going to say you can just dunk taric dunking zyra is even easier pre 6. Even at 6 she will die easy. Taric and ezreal are the best vs dunk lanes
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11549 Posts
January 19 2013 18:46 GMT
#255
I don't know if this is crazy enough for this thread, but as i said before, i am pretty sure that Jayce Leona is a pretty good Hybrid between a killlane and a usual ADC + support lane, and that it should work extremely well in general. I am willing to put that to a test if you should ever do testing on the EUW server.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
January 19 2013 19:44 GMT
#256
I said this while testing, but I think the problem is not Nasus support.

The problem is that Nasus + Garen specifically does not work that well.
Nasus support + AD carry would be better (wither trades, wither + exhaust chain for complete lockdown)

The problem is we shoved Nasus "support" into the segment of AD-less teamcomps and Kill-lanes, where he just doesn't do as much. Then paired him with another guy with no real gapcloser.

Nasus support + ADC should be tested instead. Results are predicted to be better.
I did note that we should not test too many things at once. Too many conflicting factors, too hard to pin the "problem" down.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
January 19 2013 21:18 GMT
#257
Serious discussion about lanemumu and no jungle trilane bruisers bot
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-19 21:32:16
January 19 2013 21:31 GMT
#258
On January 20 2013 06:18 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Serious discussion about lanemumu and no jungle trilane bruisers bot

I feel like the usual criticism I hear against no jungle is that your jungle is too open to invades and you give up too many buffs to your enemy, and that in a trilane you're splitting too much experience/gold so be effective. I guess the buff thing could be countered with good warding. I guess if you crush bot lane hard enough you could push down the tower and just roam and farm your own jungle. I'd love to try it sometime.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-19 21:52:26
January 19 2013 21:50 GMT
#259
GP support
1/16/13 (1/26/3 is possible too with gp10 quints) , heal/exhaust
QWEEERE (R>E>W>Q)
hp quints (aggressive) / gp10 quints (passive) , armor yellows, MR blues, ad/armorpen reds
doran shield (for poke heavy bot, otherwise start flask) > flask > sightstone> aegis/locket/zeke's

use ult , hit E, heal right, exhaust something, win games

cool beans
dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
January 19 2013 22:23 GMT
#260
On January 20 2013 06:18 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Serious discussion about lanemumu and no jungle trilane bruisers bot


Sunfire/abyssal lanemumu is very very strong.

His problem is he has alot of bad matchups top, which will just stomp him, but if he can be even/win lane hes amazing.
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