EPTI build Elise (jungle) Guise -> Sorcs -> Warmogs/Sunfire first, starting boots3 (but considering starting ruby crystal or amp+pot to get guise faster, don't really need boots either)
Also for support elise rush sheen for Q+auto rape? huehehue
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
I build Elise (jungle) Guise -> Sorcs -> Warmogs/Sunfire first, starting boots3 (but considering starting ruby crystal or amp+pot to get guise faster, don't really need boots either) Also for support elise rush sheen for Q+auto rape? huehehue | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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mockturtle
United States220 Posts
On January 16 2013 20:30 ReachTheSky wrote: Surprised she isn't nerfed one bit with the second preseason patch. She is so damn strong right now. I don't know, maybe she's difficult? I bought her recently and I continue to do pretty awful after a dozen games or so. She's squishy and you don't have super awesome escapes like rengar or khazix. Maybe she's not difficult and I'm just a moron, who knows. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
She's likely not nerfed because she's only at a 50% win rate at about 9% picked, which isn't high enough to warrant the nerfbat in Riot's eyes. Once she hits ~12% pick and ~58% win ratio, we'll doubtless see a nerf or two. | ||
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heroyi
United States1064 Posts
On January 16 2013 22:25 mockturtle wrote: I don't know, maybe she's difficult? I bought her recently and I continue to do pretty awful after a dozen games or so. She's squishy and you don't have super awesome escapes like rengar or khazix. Maybe she's not difficult and I'm just a moron, who knows. the damn problem is her neurotoxin. I can get a giants belt or equivalent defense item and still do a fuck ton of dmg like a jackass. Hell its not even a skillshot which i was surprised when I found out... she just has so much burst potential...who, again we have experienced and hate, can build really fucking tanky like pre-nerf nocturne | ||
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
On January 17 2013 00:26 heroyi wrote: the damn problem is her neurotoxin. I can get a giants belt or equivalent defense item and still do a fuck ton of dmg like a jackass. Hell its not even a skillshot which i was surprised when I found out... she just has so much burst potential...who, again we have experienced and hate, can build really fucking tanky like pre-nerf nocturne She wouldn't do so much damage if every top laner didn't think they needed to be like pros and only stack health. Just buy a negatron or something | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On January 17 2013 15:40 MattBarry wrote: She wouldn't do so much damage if every top laner didn't think they needed to be like pros and only stack health. Just buy a negatron or something Pretty much. I think mr is better when your opponent is stacking mpen which everyone does on Elise. | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
9-21-0 with all the health stacking masteries makes anyone fairly tanky with just a warmogs. Plus elise can rappel to break aggro and allow that massive regen to kick in. Warmogs also has good synergy with the extra HP from rylais and guise which just makes the entire build fit together nicely. My standard elise build: Sorcs, Liandrys, Rylais, Warmogs. Best way to counter elise was already mentioned, buy MR. Elise Q wreaks low MR champs. Nothing pains me more than killing darius only to have him come back into lane with a negatron because you cant kill him and forces you to play safe and farm. | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
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bmn
886 Posts
On January 18 2013 06:00 obesechicken13 wrote: Pretty much. I think mr is better when your opponent is stacking mpen which everyone does on Elise. MR isn't better against Elise specifically because Elise stacks mpen, it's better because Elise's primary ranged nuke scales with your HP (%hp damage) and her AP scaling on it is really bad. True, unlike other APs she doesn't have much of a viable choice between mpen and straight AP if she wants to increase damage. But it's the %hp aspect of her low-cooldown point-and-click Q that makes it particularly inefficient for you to stack health. | ||
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On February 10 2013 00:31 justiceknight wrote: does any1 has tips for elise sp? only won 1 game with her and shes damn paper during engage and i keep dying ni the end. Well other than basic teamfight positioning which really just comes from experience, you really can build as tanky as you need to be on elise. If your team is doing alright on damage and you feel like you need to just tank it up then just pile on the warmogs and shit after sorcs and guise, you'll still do fine damage. I often play elise as peel in many teamfights, just sit back near your AD, poke everyone from human, then stun and full combo anyone who tries to dive. This keeps you safe in the back lines, and combined with your AD and your %health+ burst you can level pretty much anyone. Then when they are dead and your combo is back you can rappel after their squishy. If you need damage and survival and you are getting focused then grab zhonyas. You can dive in and combo while saving rappel, then zhonyas when they switch to you, then rappel and look for a good escape route or just hang out up there. you are untagetable for a combined 4.5 seconds, which is way too long for people to wait for you without your team ruining them. | ||
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
Do you have to play agressive and all in him in spiderform ? | ||
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ThE)ShoWTimE
Italy213 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On the upside, you have much better gank assist than he does. The best he can hope to do is slow you with Pool (which you really shouldn't get hit with), or with a Rylai Q (which takes time to get). On the other hand, your Stun is on a shorter CD than his Pool at all times (unless he has a lot of CDR and you have none), so if you can force him to use pool, he's easily gankable. There's a couple ways to play it, I think. Early on, he can't push hard with E without tanking his health, so you can try to turn it into a shove lane with Spider Form Q and W (which is manaless and has pretty good sustain), and Human W (lots of mana, but pretty good pushing power). If he uses E a bunch to push, he'll be pretty low, so you can try to all-in him when he hits about half if he doesn't have pool. Both of you should be able to farm under tower easily, and both of you are pretty good late game (different reasons, he works better as a pusher and in AoE comps, you have better poke and single target killing power), so just try to get what advantage you have without trying to trade. I personally think I'd try to push hard when I hit 4, then roam to mid or their jungle with your team while he's trying to defend his tower. If he follows, he'll be fairly low, and doesn't bring much to teamfighting until 6. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On January 16 2013 15:12 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: Rappel doesn't reveal stealth, but if you can already see the ward you can Rappel to it. I build Elise (jungle) Guise -> Sorcs -> Warmogs/Sunfire first, starting boots3 (but considering starting ruby crystal or amp+pot to get guise faster, don't really need boots either) Also for support elise rush sheen for Q+auto rape? huehehue Doesn't have a ruby crystal in it. Haunting guise if you want an offensive item on support elise would make the most sense to me. It's clearly a support item because it builds out of a ruby crystal like all good support items. Still not sure how to approach support elise as far as mindset goes. The allin where you rappel QW switch form pointblankEstun QW is quite strong from the support position though. But harassing against like a Sona or any other sustain feels like I just go OOM instantly. | ||
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EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On May 04 2013 07:59 EquilasH wrote: Okay guys, can you give me some opinions on whether you should go vamp or flat ap for jungle Elise? I've seen both. Vamp seems unneccesary, especially if you plan on going APstone. I've always run AP. checking probuilds.net and they all go flat AP or movespeed. | ||
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TheLastRaven
26 Posts
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LazyFailKid
Canada750 Posts
On May 05 2013 04:23 TheLastRaven wrote: Hey Elise players, is it true that you can't really do much against Jayce? I'm trying to figure out counterpicks to this insane champion. I'm not sure how the matchup goes, but you should probably ask in the Jayce thread for counterplay/picks against him. | ||
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