Spirit of the spectral wraith gives you a lot of extra health from the spell vamp if you're not getting blown up instantly. And it helps maintain really strong dragon control with the damage bonus against monsters and the spell vamp.I think half of what makes Elise so strong as a jungler is her ability to take dragons extremely quickly, and there are many more situations you can do that with spirit of spectral wraith.

I don't really get Warmogs as a second item. Elise's strength as a jungler lies in her strong gank potential and dragon control, and Warmogs doesn't really help with either. If you get a guise before the mogs, that would make a lot more sense to me.

ShaLLoW[baY]

Canada12499 Posts

June 27 2013 03:51 GMT

#104

On June 27 2013 12:49 zer0das wrote:
Spirit of the spectral wraith gives you a lot of extra health from the spell vamp if you're not getting blown up instantly. And it helps maintain really strong dragon control with the damage bonus against monsters and the spell vamp.I think half of what makes Elise so strong as a jungler is her ability to take dragons extremely quickly, and there are many more situations you can do that with spirit of spectral wraith.

I don't really get Warmogs as a second item. Elise's strength as a jungler lies in her strong gank potential and dragon control, and Warmogs doesn't really help with either. If you get a guise before the mogs, that would make a lot more sense to me.

Yeah, I meant guise then sorcs, my bad

Scip

Czech Republic11293 Posts

June 27 2013 04:38 GMT

#105

On June 27 2013 10:07 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
I'm still building Elise sorcs -> warmog -> liandry/sunfire/aegis depending (from the jungle)

why?

ShaLLoW[baY]

Canada12499 Posts

June 27 2013 05:26 GMT

#106

On June 27 2013 13:38 Scip wrote:

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why?

Because I do well with it?

edit: for a bit more of a civil response, it's what I remember from OGN Winter and I hadn't played since January so I was just going with that

It still seems to work

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

July 05 2013 05:06 GMT

#107

So what's the general combo for clearing a camp as Elise? Do I just spam everything I have? Or clear primary in Spider form to conserve mana?

Scip

Czech Republic11293 Posts

July 05 2013 05:33 GMT

#108

Either come in human form, autoattack once+W, then spiderform, Q, W, autoattack creeps to death OR
Rappel into the creep camp, Q, W, autoattack them low enough to die to your human W, then switch to human form and W.

This is if you're maxing W in the jungle, which I think you should.

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

July 05 2013 06:25 GMT

#109

I was maxing W but was getting pretty fed and switched over to Q for better gank damage. Is W just for clear speed then? I figure maxing your execute would be wise.

scFoX

France454 Posts

July 05 2013 06:39 GMT

#110

I like to put two points in W then max Q. Leaving Q at level 1 during the laning phase makes your ganks much less scary.

zer0das

United States8519 Posts

July 05 2013 23:32 GMT

#111

I don't think maxing w first in the jungle makes much sense. Q makes her clear much faster because of how much it shreds the the stronger monsters (blue and red in particular), and it also make her ganks much better, not to mention objective control. I was initially under the impression that you should max w first when I first tried jungle Elise, and I thought it was absolutely horrible and wondered why anyone would jungle her. Then I read some guides, tried maxing Q first, and never really looked back.

If I have blue buff, I generally, start in human form, launch her w a distance away, q the big monster (which should hit first due to the travel time of her w), then switch to spider form, w and attack for a bit, then q the big monster again for a fairly large execute. Then just stay in spider form and q/w until everything is cleared (shouldn't take long). I generally don't rappel onto camps, because you can never be entirely sure when you'll need it (although if stuff is well warded, I would do it more). If I don't have blue buff, I usually just skip the initial q in human form (not always- depends on how fast I want to clear).

Silentenigma

Turkey2037 Posts

July 05 2013 23:38 GMT

#112

I dont advise maxing W over Q.Both spider and human Q s are awesome in ganks and teamfight and decent against creeps.You can still jungle pretty good without maxing W.I dont think it is worth to sacrifice that much damage for clearing speed.

GhostOwl

766 Posts

July 06 2013 05:01 GMT

#113

how is Elise support? Do you guys recommend/ not recommend? What to build?

OmegaKnetus

Germany431 Posts

July 06 2013 10:13 GMT

#114

On July 06 2013 14:01 GhostOwl wrote:
how is Elise support? Do you guys recommend/ not recommend? What to build?

She is a lane bully, but you'll probably be less usefull than most supports late game, as you only have one cc.
You'd build her like normal support, but throw in spell pen boots and haunting guise for some damage

nyxnyxnyx

Indonesia2978 Posts

July 06 2013 10:44 GMT

#115

Why even consider Warmog's when there's Spirit of the Ancient Golem?

Sajaki

Canada1135 Posts

July 07 2013 15:22 GMT

#116

On July 06 2013 19:13 OmegaKnetus wrote:

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You can also throw in a morellonomicon, I like to get it after locket. Its 75 relatively cheap AP, provides 20% cdr which lets you spam cocoon more, and just makes it so you feel like you fall off less. Lately I've swapped her out in favor of sona/thresh, but as long as you actually bully the lane, I think she's midlevel supportwise. If you dont get anything done in lane though, most other supports will just provide so much more than you can come late game.

IamPryda

United States1186 Posts

July 15 2013 11:54 GMT

#117

Is ancient golem any good on Elise? I have been just going spirt stone-boots1-haunt guise- mpen boots- for the strong gank but I do notice my clear speed is slow compared to some of my other junglers

Sandster

United States4054 Posts

July 15 2013 15:24 GMT

#118

Ancient golem is standard on Elise (assuming you're not fed) and just about any non-wriggle jungler. It gives you some tankiness, and decide if you want sorc/haunting after or something like aegis. It's never a bad pickup, and her clear speed is fine.

zer0das

United States8519 Posts

July 16 2013 04:08 GMT

#119

I wouldn't say ancient golem is standard but it is pretty common. Personally I get way more mileage out of spirit of the spectral wraith, but there are certainly situations ancient golem is better. I probably go 80% spectral wraith/20% ancient golem. LCS junglers tend to favor spirit of the ancient golem, which makes a lot of sense in a competitive 5s game where the enemy team has very good coordination. From what I've seen, people split pretty evenly between the two in solo que.

sylverfyre

United States8298 Posts

July 16 2013 04:43 GMT

#120

Another cute thing about SOTSW is that smite heals you for 100-200 health (based on your level) I can really see how that can end up totaling up to get you 500 health even in a pretty short period of time with your 2 Q's also vamping really well.