EPT[Champion] Elise - Page 3
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ShaLLoW[baY]
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greggy
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Ghost-z
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ShaLLoW[baY]
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Immortall
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On January 09 2013 05:27 Immortall wrote: Okay so i have 7000 IP to spend and i really want to buy elise however i don't really know... what defines her? What defines het from other (top) lane bullies like for example jayce, nida, shen? Because she looks so cool but i almost exclusively play bullies on top lane so i think i should buy something else if she is just like the others i mentioned before. Thanks! She's similar to Jayce or Nid, not so much Shen at all. She has strong ranged harass, but low clearing/pushing power. She has some sustain, but needs to switch to melee form to use it. She lacks really any escape aside from Stun and a minor speed boost in Spider form. Her strength lies in high damage consistently through all game, strong gank support with 2 gap closers and a stun, safe farming, and relatively low mana costs that allow her to stay in lane for a long time. | ||
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Immortall
Netherlands124 Posts
On January 09 2013 05:32 Requizen wrote: She's similar to Jayce or Nid, not so much Shen at all. She has strong ranged harass, but low clearing/pushing power. She has some sustain, but needs to switch to melee form to use it. She lacks really any escape aside from Stun and a minor speed boost in Spider form. Her strength lies in high damage consistently through all game, strong gank support with 2 gap closers and a stun, safe farming, and relatively low mana costs that allow her to stay in lane for a long time. So her late-game scaling is ok? I assumed her lategame would be pretty lacking because of her lack of CC and a real escape. And how do you build her, AP-bruiser with tank items mixed like FH, Mogs or just full AP? I saw some Korean top laner in OGN go with something that seemed like a full tank build (Sorc boots, Mogs, Shurelias and some dorans shields i think). Is there one outstanding build, or is it all situational? | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On January 09 2013 05:39 Immortall wrote: So her late-game scaling is ok? I assumed her lategame would be pretty lacking because of her lack of CC and a real escape. And how do you build her, AP-bruiser with tank items mixed like FH, Mogs or just full AP? I saw some Korean top laner in OGN go with something that seemed like a full tank build (Sorc boots, Mogs, Shurelias and some dorans shields i think). Is there one outstanding build, or is it all situational? This thread is pretty new and short, just read the last couple pages. MPen is best on her offensively, since %health stays relevant through the game and you just need to worry about them building MR against you. And if they're not building MR, she can build tanky and still do a lot of damage and have good utility through her stun for engages/stopping dives. | ||
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Sc2eleazar
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Immortall
Netherlands124 Posts
On January 09 2013 05:45 Requizen wrote: This thread is pretty new and short, just read the last couple pages. MPen is best on her offensively, since %health stays relevant through the game and you just need to worry about them building MR against you. And if they're not building MR, she can build tanky and still do a lot of damage and have good utility through her stun for engages/stopping dives. Okay, thanks a lot! I'll see if i buy her. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On January 09 2013 05:47 Sc2eleazar wrote: To me Elise just begs for some sort of banner of command rush pusher comp. Although her wave clear speed is not that remarkable (although once you get used to it you can split push with your creep wave never needing to slow down), she makes for a strong tower pusher (free spammable minions to take shots) and a deadly assassin. Spam your caster abilities, spider form jump, spam abilities, rappel to chase or pull out before the inevitable burst. Toughest part is her caster form feels sluggish and the range is on the shortish side. problem with this is that elise is still squishy and she doesn't have good escapes. she has good pursue but not good escapes, which makes a huge difference. without tankiness you won't last long enough for the extra AD from spiderlings and the 30 armor from banner of command is not good enough. spiderlings + spider-form W clears towers pretty fast already, anything more seems like overkill. if you want to split push you definitely need shurelya's. | ||
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Requizen
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
In spider form Rylai lets you stick to them better after you Q onto them because they're slowed, allowing you can get the full benefit of W and spiderling attacks, saving Rappel for if/when they flash away or to dodge enemy abilities. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
Im not sure if they go tanky or normal support runes and masteries and im also not sure of i should max the spider for bushcontrol or Q for harass. | ||
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AFKing
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On January 14 2013 22:02 LaNague wrote: does anyone know how koreans run support elise? Im not sure if they go tanky or normal support runes and masteries and im also not sure of i should max the spider for bushcontrol or Q for harass. I'm like 95% sure they don't go tanky on their support elises, because they mostly play human form, so they don't need to get up close to do things. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11501 Posts
The most plausible thing without having played her would be max q, go for my offensive poking support masteries and runes, and build the more tanky support things like locket. Depending on mana needs i might get a chalice. Maxing W does sound significantly worse then Q. W scales for 50 damage, Q for 45. I would be very surprised if you could hit W more often then Q, plus it has a 12 second CD compared to the 6 of Q. However, all of this is purely theoretic, and i would be glad for any insight of people who have already played her on what they think works best. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On January 12 2013 03:53 Requizen wrote: I don't really see the love of Rylai's on Elise. I get that there's the synergy with Liandry's, but you can often rely on your stun for that. If you want to get tanky, why not get things like Glacial/FH (CDR is amazing with her utility and high base damages) and Abyssal (more mpen)? I often even find myself just going Liandry's -> Void if I'm not hardcore getting focused. The amount of damage you get out of being able to stick to someone for the entire duration of spiderW is immense. In a full combo at medium or long stun range your stun wears off at about the same time you get close enough to spider Q onto them. Its all about the slow, the tank stats and ap are just really delicious icing. Its also really really strong in shutting down retaliation from tops without good gap closers, and it serves as an escape method which elise really needs. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
even just with shoes and guise you still do a good chunk of damage in the mid-late game and when the ad carry has to worry about dying to the support you know they're in trouble... although ideally in teamfights you just sit back in human form and spam Qs, stun for your carry, and burst down any divers. | ||
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Lounge
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Just a few questions to Elise players: With pen rush being the general optimal build, what is your opinion on getting Sunfire ala tanky Kat/Pen Malphite. I am seeing debate over Rylais and Warmogs as a GBelt item, but nothing about Sunfire. And more for fun: If you pink someplace where the enemy has a ward, can you then rappel to that ward? Not entirely practical, but I'm curious. Edit: Grammar | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On January 15 2013 05:59 Lounge wrote: Disclaimer: I don't own Elise and I've only played her a few times when she was free. Just a few questions to Elise players: With pen rush being the general optimal build, what is your opinion on getting Sunfire ala tanky Kat/Pen Malphite. I am seeing debate over Rylais and Warmogs as a GBelt item, but nothing about Sunfire. And more for fun: If you pink someplace where the enemy has a ward, can you then rappel to that ward? Not entirely practical, but I'm curious. Edit: Grammar You can rappel to enemy wards if visible. I think tanky elise is dumb unless you are way far ahead so I can't comment on that. I just hate building tanky period in solo. | ||
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