EPT[Champion] Cho'Gath - Page 2
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Ruken
United States858 Posts
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
Sigh what not to love about him: -Jungle with him and you'll usually get a dodge  -Passive means you farm like you dont give a fuck -Badass silence -Get 5k health ezpz with warmogs (not cause it matters but because you can) | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
I play Irelia and it always seemed like an interesting matchup, though I've never played it. | ||
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billy5000
United States865 Posts
On October 26 2011 11:42 Cloud9157 wrote: How does Cho fair against Irelia? I play Irelia and it always seemed like an interesting matchup, though I've never played it. from my experience, she has a small timing window pre level 4ish if you can manage to dodge his q and w his face. but usually, it ends up being a farm fest so i started getting philo+hog if my team is doing fine. just be wary when he's about lvl 11 and when your lane is being pushed all the way to tower. cho can tank tower and eat you alive with his jungler since they can exploit her low base hp (obviously) | ||
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Sermokala
United States14069 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
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Sleight
2471 Posts
On October 26 2011 12:29 sermokala wrote: Saint vicious repping cho on his stream jungleing. basicaly owning face like something else. For anyone wondering, here is how Saint has been Jungling Cho most often. Open Boots-Pots into Regrowth to Philo. Head towards Heart of Gold, then Merc Treads. After that get Recurve into Wit's. Then go to Randuin's. After that point, he has done Abyssal but I think it's pretty variable. He eventually turns his Philo into Shurelya's. Jungle path I have seen him open Wolves with help into Leashed Blue into standard Aggressive most often (Blue, all the creeps, and then Red). He also sometimes opens Cloth-Pots, into Philo then boots or Heart. When he does that, I have seen him steal Wraiths and then go Sustainable (no-buffs on first thru) and start ganking at level 7. He can get Heart AND Philo by 7 minutes this way which was his biggest roflstomp I have seen. I think opening Regrowth and stealing either enemy Wraiths or Golems is most ideal for rushed gp5 items (though you need team to help scout), seeing as you can get Philo after first back and Ruby after 2nd and then Heart AND Boots on the next one. Alternatively, if you want to gank, Philo into Boots into Heart might be more ideal if slightly delayed on the 2nd gp5. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
I disagree with leveling Q first in lane, unless you lvl 1 teamfight. E first gives you much more strenght against melee champions at top and allows you to just bully them from the get go. Q doesn't even help against lvl 2 ganks all that much, I mean its nice but you still take loads of damage and its better to just stay back until the gank threat is over. | ||
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Sleight
2471 Posts
On October 26 2011 16:30 Scipaeus121212 wrote: maybe now that you, as a trusted cho main, mentioned he is awesome with red buff, I won't have to beg for it like I had to half a year ago /Idideverythingthatbecamecool I disagree with leveling Q first in lane, unless you lvl 1 teamfight. E first gives you much more strenght against melee champions at top and allows you to just bully them from the get go. Q doesn't even help against lvl 2 ganks all that much, I mean its nice but you still take loads of damage and its better to just stay back until the gank threat is over. You can't level E early because you push your lane and lose all your farm to not being able to get close to the tower as a melee fighter yourself. You level Q because it lets you make Level 1 plays, zone out melee without super pushing the lane, and threaten squishy ranged characters. If you are pushing your lane blindly you are getting an awful creep score. At some levels, it doesn't matter, but farm wins games at higher levels. That's why it needs to be a strategic decision when to push towers. Against Ryze and other slow-aa'ing squishies without good AoE you push early and often and smash them into their tower and they lose all their farm to the tower while you can get more, so that's good. but against most melee, you smash them into tower and now YOU can't farm and they can because of the tower. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
Source: me because i mained cho with the best players in the game ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/XPFsh.jpg) | ||
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Sleight
2471 Posts
On October 26 2011 18:28 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: You can level e just fine. I do it all the time. You just have to do it against people you know you can escape ganks from in lanes you know you don't need to win with w. Scream always hits minions anyway, it's not like you're gonna NOT push lane as fucking Cho. You just play it like old Mord, push wave and move back and ward well and don't do it against like rammus/noc/ww past 6. Source: me because i mained cho with the best players in the game I believe what I said was... You don't blindly level 1 E regardless of matchup. You do it as an active choice when it fits. Also, there is a difference ebtween getting a couple creeps Screamed and using E from level 1... You push incredibly hard with E whereas Scream is much softer if you aren't blindly spamming in order to push. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 26 2011 19:01 Sleight wrote: I believe what I said was... You don't blindly level 1 E regardless of matchup. You do it as an active choice when it fits. Also, there is a difference ebtween getting a couple creeps Screamed and using E from level 1... You push incredibly hard with E whereas Scream is much softer if you aren't blindly spamming in order to push. You realized you can turn E off when you don't want to push, right? | ||
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billy5000
United States865 Posts
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Sleight
2471 Posts
On October 26 2011 19:46 TheYango wrote: You realized you can turn E off when you don't want to push, right? Example of someone coming in without reading the actual series of replies. We are discussing LEVEL ONE SKILLS. So explain what would possess you to take a Level 1 E you aren't using!??!?! Oh wait, you came into a conversation in the midst, didn't read anything previously said and are talking about something completely irrelevant. My argument is that FIRST PICK E is incorrect blindly and will be incorrect in most lane situations. That is it. No need to waste a point early on E except in extreme cases. I really wish people would be less focused on being "clever" and more on "reading the conversation." | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 26 2011 22:38 Sleight wrote: Example of someone coming in without reading the actual series of replies. We are discussing LEVEL ONE SKILLS. So explain what would possess you to take a Level 1 E you aren't using!??!?! Just because you can turn off the skill means you won't use it at level 1? Win trades with melees with E. Turn it off when you're last-hitting. 3-4 autoattacks with E aren't going to push harder than Q at level 1. On October 26 2011 22:38 Sleight wrote: Oh wait, you came into a conversation in the midst, didn't read anything previously said and are talking about something completely irrelevant. My argument is that FIRST PICK E is incorrect blindly and will be incorrect in most lane situations. That is it. No need to waste a point early on E except in extreme cases. Of course you don't skill it blind. Very few champs in the game skill blind ever. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
btw, Wraithjack -> Wolves -> Wraiths -> Gols -> Wraithjack -> Wolves -> Wraiths -> Gols -> Buy works off Boots+3. If you can get away with the initial wraithjack it's pretty baller, you get pretty low on the 2nd one tho. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14069 Posts
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
On October 26 2011 22:49 r.Evo wrote: All hail the king of Cho <3 ... Thanks for the guide. btw, Wraithjack -> Wolves -> Wraiths -> Gols -> Wraithjack -> Wolves -> Wraiths -> Gols -> Buy works off Boots+3. If you can get away with the initial wraithjack it's pretty baller, you get pretty low on the 2nd one tho. Hmm I usually start off with one wraithjack, but think its usually too ballsy to go for the second wraith jack... | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
Another really good one against people that start blue is wolf -> blue with leash -> their smalls -> level 3 gank. | ||
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