EPT[Champion] Cho'Gath - Page 18
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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Aldrovandi
United States211 Posts
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On January 15 2013 02:55 La1 wrote: Just started playing around with cho after the weekend, I am surpised how good he is in the jungle, I was doing the spirit stone boots but going in to ninja tabi/speed 5 boots as you get the tenicicity from the upgraded spirit stone.. not sure what else to build really , thoughts? looked at a few guides and the jist is get big and tanky.. build anything and win cuz chogath is like the best hero in the game tbh | ||
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
The silence nerf certainly hurts but I think mid cho can deal best with it as he doesn't rely purely on his CC as jungle/tank cho does but also on his pretty strong burst. Tho I can't really say how much ot hurts in laneing as I didn't try it out yet. If I had to guess i'd say the silence should still be long enough to trade in your favour and get out in time. Build: The way I play him I do need some additional mana reg early. As I mostly play him 9/21/0 the bluebuff doesn't hold as long either. I usually build chalice first item, but I think spirit stone might be a good alternative. Both build into good, cost effective items for cho, too. I really like a rylais rush next (thx 5hit) as the additional tankyness (cho has to be close range eventually to feast) + the slow is just sick on cho. Hit 1 scream? Hit rupture as well and with vorpal he never gets away. I usually build deathcap after rylais to get the burst going, the alternative would be to finish athene/spectral wraith first as cd reduction is important on cho as well. 4th item either frozen heart or locket, because cd and tankyness. I think i prefer locket (if you dont forget the active huehue). You dont need the mana of FH when you have Athene/spectral either. Discuss. | ||
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GhostOwl
766 Posts
He provides a really good double knock-up, and a double silence. His passive seems wasted, his E is wasted, but his R allows him to remain relatively tanky without many expensive tank items and it allows him to dish out somewhat of a high single-target damage without any offensive items. Has anyone tried bot lane support Cho? | ||
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On February 01 2013 22:47 Djagulingu wrote: Jungle Cho works out pretty well with Rylai, Abyssal, Bulwark, Randuins, Ninja Tabi and Zhonyas. At least that's what I've been doing ever since I bought him. In higher level games you won't be afforded the opportunity to get those items as they're really expensive for a jungler. Obviously you want a 6 item Cho as a jungler but in reality you're likely to get one, maybe two of those before most games end or they'll end up crushing you anyway because Cho really gets outscaled super late game. If you have the luxury to be getting these items on a jungle Chogath you should really be focusing on finishing games more cleanly because to get these items and not lose you pretty much have to choose not to finish a game or not know how to. | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
I was vs 5 AD it was like Yorick top, Darius jungle, GP mid, cait bot with Taric so really not much magic damage + Darius true damage. I wanted armor and some health buffer obviously (me being cho top vs yorick.) I ended up giving up 1st blood on a delayed blue invade by them and Yorick got it so I started off behind. I went Dshield into boots and decided to go catalyst for a health buffer into tabi -> RoA -> Frozen Fist and then followed with Randuins. I felt like this build kept up my mid game damage enough when my real goal was just to survive their front line. Game ended as a win soon after. I feel like this build is a strong tank build with good midgame power and even though I started out waaay behind (he got 1st blood and was level 3 when I was 1,) I was able to catch up and eventually just ignore Yorick while farming and if I landed Q was able to kill him. Thoughts? | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
If I ever see someone pick yorick into me top when i can cho i'll test l0L | ||
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
On February 11 2013 16:15 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Against Yorick I'm a little torn, I think one NMM is mandatory because his early game damage is magic but you should also be getting a dshield so your passive can sustain you. Rushing catalyst sounds good and should give you more sustain. The trick to playing vs Yorick is to just time your power curve correctly because once he gets muramana he puts out insane damage and you have to take control of objectives and hopefully win lane before that happens. It's a tough matchup but if you time it right you can outscale him at midgame all the way into late game, especially if you get good ganks. I'm not 100% sold on frozen fist over frozen heart, but I've seen it done a lot and it gives you a bunch of stuff you need. If I ever see someone pick yorick into me top when i can cho i'll test l0L Well I feel like I disagree on NMM but your 5HIT talking about chogath... so I dunno lol. I felt really secure going dshield into catalyst as the health buffer, passive + dshield + catalyst level up was so much regen his magic damage didn't really matter. After I had this health buffer/regen Yorick just couldn't kill me so I could free farm to RoA (literally just sit in wave and kill all the minions and then attack Yorick.) After RoA I decided on Fist since I wanted to do some more damage and most of the opposing teams damage was bursty not sustainy so I didn't think FH would benefit me too much (obviously it is still a fantastic item.) RoA + Fist is a good chunk of AP, a good chunk of EHP, an auto attack enhancer + AoE slow guarenteeing your rupture hits. Kind of like how you talked about Rylais into rupture, scream -> auto with slow -> rupture is really strong and a solid amount of damage. I don't think this has to necessarily be vs Yorick I'm going to try it out vs a bunch of people. If you ever get a chance to test the build let me know! | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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Thereisnosaurus
Australia1822 Posts
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
I started cloth5 and whenever he tried to Q and then spin2win me I just outdamaged him with just auto's + E (and a occasional W) Btw this was top | ||
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
On March 18 2013 23:37 Fildun wrote: I know most cho's max W or Q first, but what about maxing E first? I just tried it vs a garen top and I completely wrecked face with it. I started cloth5 and whenever he tried to Q and then spin2win me I just outdamaged him with just auto's + E (and a occasional W) Btw this was top Never max Q first, it's way to unreliable. 1 point in Q for the CC. Maxing it second or third depends on your build and matchup. Maxing W or E depends on the matchup if you want to harass with W or trade autohits alot. E also gives you a pretty good push ability without wasting mana (you can turn it off, too, if you don't want to push) | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
Maxing E or W depends on lane, if you're top E max is actually standard vs certain champs In general, max W first regardless of what lane you are in, including jungle (1-2 points e) If you're playing caster mid cho max W then Q with one point in e at level 4 | ||
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nanospartan
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On April 03 2013 19:15 nanospartan wrote: I've been playing a lot of Cho'gath toplane, my build has been cloth/flask-->philo--->boots/emblem--->aegis--->tank stuff(warmogs/sunfire/randuins) I feel like i don't do any damage late outside of my feast. Should I be throwing a RoA in my build somewhere? Cata is a really strong item. 1 health pot and 2 mana pots of regen on level up. But you want it early. If you are getting aegis instead though you should make sure your support gets locket or something. | ||
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DrunkenOne
United States302 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
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