I don't find sticking to people to be a problem you just have to cancel the auto attack animation and keep walking/hopping/dashing along on them (unless they're like Kass, but Kass is an asshole cause silence shuts down your passive, you can still kill him, you just can't 1v3 if he's there no matter how fed you are, same thing with Soraka). The only time I would go Frozen Mallet is if I'm gonna want atma's, and need the extra health.

I would say the top 3 champs I don't like seeing on the other team when playing Riven are Morgana, Garen, Soraka.

greggy

United Kingdom1483 Posts

April 10 2012 15:13 GMT

#622

On April 10 2012 22:02 BlackPaladin wrote:
The argument i've actually heard for frozen mallet on riven is riven's strength is in mobility and catching people because of her 2 movement spells and low CD stun. However, she can't actually stick to someone well once catching them, so frozen mallet remedys this problem. Obviously it's not a first item rush sort of deal though since she more so wants AD and resists than all the health FM gives. What so all of you think of that argument? I actually kind of agree with it.

I think the argument against that is that if you actually catch someone you just smash their head in with pure ad as opposed to wasting valuable time chasing them around. Or if you can't stick to them then it's more of a 'they blow all cc on me' problem which fmallet doesn't solve either.

Imho if you aren't dominating with your BT/GA core then neither fmallet nor more damage is going to help you, really.

Zergneedsfood

United States10671 Posts

April 10 2012 15:52 GMT

#623

Riven is really strong. I've been trying her out a lot and it's almost like whatever I build, as long as I have a BT and a GA I'm going to be doing tons and tons of damage.

What do you guys think of that new Maw item on Riven btw? What I've done in a few games is I go for the hexdrinker if it's some heavy AP character (maybe Kennen or Vlad, and especially if their mid likes to gank top a lot for some odd reason), but I don't know if that's the right decision to make.

Should I just be rushing BTs after boots and a few dorans or is the Hexdrinker (and then BT) okay in these circumstances?

BlackPaladin

United States9316 Posts

April 10 2012 16:14 GMT

#624

I simply saw it on an argument for jungle riven who can't really afford a BF sword easily on jungle gold so builds cheaper shit (where phage can actually be a decent buy, and you don't finish the FM until way late)

greggy

United Kingdom1483 Posts

April 10 2012 16:17 GMT

#625

Well if mid or some ap-based jungler are camping you then hexdrinker is fine. Usually though you'd want your big sword asap. I don't really find hexdrinker is necessary against vlad, and kennen is a fucking joke lane so I make sure he isn't in the game if I play riven.

FraCuS

United States1072 Posts

April 10 2012 17:11 GMT

#626

On April 10 2012 22:22 Blasterion wrote:
Why Doran's Ring? She doesn't even use mana

Lol oops i ment sword T__T

BlackPaladin

United States9316 Posts

April 10 2012 17:18 GMT

#627

Technically it's Dorans Blade, but semantics aside, dblades top are fine. Onviously you don't open it or you open yourself up to hetting harassed out. But 2-3 dblades -> BT or wriggles -> BT are the main 2 core builds i see on riven tops. Tbh i've never seen a riven with bruta.

koreasilver

9109 Posts

April 11 2012 13:27 GMT

#628

Yeah, brutalizer really fell off because dorans is better in the early game and if you can buy brutalizer you would rather just wait a little and get a bf sword. Westrice used to get brutalizer pretty often when he first started playing Riven but he's pretty much dropped it completely, and I recall Navi saying the same thing for the same reasons.

noggnoskill

United States97 Posts

April 11 2012 14:10 GMT

#629

I see it on like every other Riven, and it makes me cringe every time.

Shiv.

3534 Posts

April 11 2012 14:52 GMT

#630

On April 11 2012 23:10 noggnoskill wrote:
I see it on like every other Riven, and it makes me cringe every time.

Perfectly fine in jungle, really too much of a mid game item top, at least that's my take on it.
How do you guys handle Rumble? I've been really struggling to go up against one. Goldfather says he used to believe Rumble was a counter to Riven until he learned to beat him at levels 1-3, but if Rumble decides to play these levels defensively, I don't see myself going even with him in lane at all. Any tips?

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

April 11 2012 15:12 GMT

#631

Wait for him to use flame spitter to charge his heating, stay out of range, then jump in towards the end of it with shield, stun him and combo him with stun and triple q+auto and then run away before his next flamethrower. Your shield should respawn if he chases you although he should be running from you anyway since your ultimate and ignite is a damn big burst once you've chunked him.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

April 11 2012 15:39 GMT

#632

Rumble is one that I'd consider a Hexdrinker at some point for if he's crapping on you. I usually build Maw after BT/GA anyway as long as there is one heavy AP hitter on their team. If I was against a good Rumble, I'd probably go BT - Hex - GA /or/ BT - 2 NMMs - GA/Hex as you want. He can just be annoying to lane against.

greggy

United Kingdom1483 Posts

April 11 2012 16:27 GMT

#633

I only met rumble like 3 times ever but what I did every time is literally run at them at 1 with dorans and q and fuck him up hard (much like goldfather's guide says). Any time he even thinks of lasthitting you q him in the face. I think it's possible to 100-0 him at 2 or 3 with qw and ignite, too. This does require good warding though as you open yourself to ganks massively since you push pretty hard.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

April 11 2012 18:25 GMT

#634

How does Ninja Tabi work with her passive? Does it reduce the bonus damage as well or just the auto?

Strykemard

168 Posts

April 12 2012 01:34 GMT

#635

On April 12 2012 03:25 Requizen wrote:
How does Ninja Tabi work with her passive? Does it reduce the bonus damage as well or just the auto?

I'm confused. Isnt rivens passive an offensive one ? How would tabi affect it ?

barbsq

United States5348 Posts

April 12 2012 02:13 GMT

#636

On April 12 2012 10:34 Strykemard wrote:

Show nested quote +

I'm confused. Isnt rivens passive an offensive one ? How would tabi affect it ?

i think he's talking about passive vs the tabi, so not riven but the person riven is attacking.

Shifft

Canada1085 Posts

April 12 2012 16:02 GMT

#637

Was just thinking about this, would Sheen be good on Riven? Since the whole point of her is to mix in autos between each skill you would use a ton of procs. Obviously the stats would be a complete waste but it's 1255g for an extra 70-100 damage depending on level for each auto. Could turn it into a triforce later or just sell it.

IDK I haven't tried it but it seems at least semi worthwhile to test.

Edit: Actually just buying a BF sword gives you almost as much damage per auto and scales your skills as well so never mind.

Gahlo

United States35163 Posts

April 12 2012 21:49 GMT

#638

In addition to that sheen only adds your base AD, which is low on Riven because of her passive.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

April 14 2012 05:54 GMT

#639

But fuck Shyvana sucks to lane against. Not entirely sure what the hell I was supposed to do against her, I couldn't trade with her worth shit.

anmolsinghmzn2009

India1783 Posts

April 14 2012 07:03 GMT

#640

On April 14 2012 14:54 Requizen wrote:
But fuck Shyvana sucks to lane against. Not entirely sure what the hell I was supposed to do against her, I couldn't trade with her worth shit.

I think you're just supposed to E towards her when she auto-attacks a minions, then auto+W+auto and Q away. Repeat this harass a few times trying not to take any damage. Post-6 can be tricky. Also just back off immediately if she gets her E on you.