EPT[Champion] Riven - Page 25
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bobbob
United States368 Posts
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On March 03 2012 17:38 bobbob wrote: Ire vs riven is an even lane generally. I'd say Ire has the advantage in a passive lane. but Riven has the advantage with doing things with ganks or getting away from ganks. I wouldn't consider it an even lane. Unless Riven gets ridiculously ahead really early on, I don't see how she's supposed to trade with Irelia once she has Wriggle's and maybe Tabi. Whenever she tries to engage, Irelia can eat a Q or two and then just go to town on her with EW. I'm generally able to zone Rivens once I have my first two items, and from this point on, it's an uphill battle for Riven. I just don't see how she can deal with your ridiculous sustain and true damage. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On March 03 2012 22:17 Shiv. wrote: I wouldn't consider it an even lane. Unless Riven gets ridiculously ahead really early on, I don't see how she's supposed to trade with Irelia once she has Wriggle's and maybe Tabi. Whenever she tries to engage, Irelia can eat a Q or two and then just go to town on her with EW. I'm generally able to zone Rivens once I have my first two items, and from this point on, it's an uphill battle for Riven. I just don't see how she can deal with your ridiculous sustain and true damage. Yeah, Irelia will just beat Riven unless you manage to kill her several times. You can force Irelia off the creeps at the beginning, but she can still get near perfect farm under tower with Q, then come back after first buy and destroy you. If you do manage to kill her early and get a level advantage, you can kill her at 6 easily, then she's your bitch for the rest of the game. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
I usually favor Dblades when armor isn't my #1 concern, and Wriggles only against pure physical. And with what you see top those days (WW, Shen, Jax, Olaf, ...), I end up going DBlades most of the time :/ | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
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greggy
United Kingdom1483 Posts
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R04R
United States1631 Posts
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On March 05 2012 01:36 NeoIllusions wrote: Wriggle's is more for lane sustainability. Blades give you additional HP to survive more burst damage. Assuming your opponent went 25 arpen (assume the worst) then wriggles probably provides comparable burst survivability as 1-2 doran's blades. I can't be sure though. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
there's true damage (fk olaf) | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On March 05 2012 12:06 Navi wrote: there's magic damage there's true damage (fk olaf) Provides equivalent for people like graves that only do physical damage** | ||
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Gahlo
United States35093 Posts
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greggy
United Kingdom1483 Posts
On March 05 2012 11:23 R04R wrote: I don't think it's overkill. There's the case that you might have wriggle's to win your lane, but come early-midgame skirmishes I'd rather gain an advantage abusing dblade's cost efficiency instead of having 1 ruby crystal and 1 long sword in my inventory. That implies that you're building phage, so not sure if serious. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35093 Posts
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On March 13 2012 00:15 Gahlo wrote: Anybody try 9/21/0 recently? Nope, and honestly, I see no reason to do so. A champ who scales that well with the offensive tree and gains next to nothing from defense? IDK, there's a lot of aggressive champs I'd consider going 21 in defense, but Riven isn't one of them. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35093 Posts
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Shifft
Canada1085 Posts
On March 06 2012 23:38 Gahlo wrote: Is anybody else really burnt out on Riven's lack of itemization? I can only stack BTs so many times. =\ Riven's depth comes from how you play her not how you build her. Who cares if you build the same items every game if there are 100 other ways you can improve your game. | ||
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snpnx
Germany454 Posts
On March 15 2012 00:23 Gahlo wrote: Olaf, ouph. Haven't been beaten that badly in a lane in I don't know how long. Olaf and Shyvana are pretty much the only Champs where I don't feel superior. He's a really hard lane in my (lowskill) opinion | ||
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Gahlo
United States35093 Posts
Against Olaf, I have no idea what to do. Because of the health difference Olaf seems to come out too far ahead on his true damage, even if you shield it. That's also ignoring that it has a smaller cooldown as well. | ||
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snpnx
Germany454 Posts
On March 15 2012 22:47 Gahlo wrote: I had heard in a shyvana player discussion, since I play her too, that it's all about landing her E. If Shyvana can land her E they will engage, otherwise it isn't worth it. Keeping safe behind minions seems to be the key. If they get frustrated and dive anyway they'll push it super hard. Against Olaf, I have no idea what to do. Because of the health difference Olaf seems to come out too far ahead on his true damage, even if you shield it. That's also ignoring that it has a smaller cooldown as well. That's interesting to note, next time I'm up against a Shyvana, I'll try to see if that will work out for me  | ||
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