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On June 05 2012 16:11 iCanada wrote:
IE a total waste on Pantheon. You get more AD for less gold with a BT and certain death crits dont get the IE crit bonus much like Shaco decieve or Cait passive. You spend 800 more gold to get Crit stats that dont help and 20 less AD.
Pretty sure Panth's crits from E passive do get the IE crit bonus. The difference is that Panth's E makes Panth's crit chance go to 100% the same way Ashe's passive increases her crit chance. Shaco's deceive specifically states how much it'll crit for.
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On June 05 2012 16:16 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 16:11 iCanada wrote:
IE a total waste on Pantheon. You get more AD for less gold with a BT and certain death crits dont get the IE crit bonus much like Shaco decieve or Cait passive. You spend 800 more gold to get Crit stats that dont help and 20 less AD. Pretty sure Panth's crits from E passive do get the IE crit bonus. The difference is that Panth's E makes Panth's crit chance go to 100% the same way Ashe's passive increases her crit chance. Shaco's deceive specifically states how much it'll crit for.
To clarify, Panth's auto attack crits do get affected, however his ability crits don't.
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On June 05 2012 16:19 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 16:16 Ryuu314 wrote:On June 05 2012 16:11 iCanada wrote:
IE a total waste on Pantheon. You get more AD for less gold with a BT and certain death crits dont get the IE crit bonus much like Shaco decieve or Cait passive. You spend 800 more gold to get Crit stats that dont help and 20 less AD. Pretty sure Panth's crits from E passive do get the IE crit bonus. The difference is that Panth's E makes Panth's crit chance go to 100% the same way Ashe's passive increases her crit chance. Shaco's deceive specifically states how much it'll crit for. To clarify, Panth's auto attack crits do get affected, however his ability crits don't.
His Q crit isn't really even a crit. IIRC his Q "crit" basically just does 150% damage to targets under 15%.
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On June 05 2012 16:24 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 16:19 iCanada wrote:On June 05 2012 16:16 Ryuu314 wrote:On June 05 2012 16:11 iCanada wrote:
IE a total waste on Pantheon. You get more AD for less gold with a BT and certain death crits dont get the IE crit bonus much like Shaco decieve or Cait passive. You spend 800 more gold to get Crit stats that dont help and 20 less AD. Pretty sure Panth's crits from E passive do get the IE crit bonus. The difference is that Panth's E makes Panth's crit chance go to 100% the same way Ashe's passive increases her crit chance. Shaco's deceive specifically states how much it'll crit for. To clarify, Panth's auto attack crits do get affected, however his ability crits don't. His Q crit isn't really even a crit. IIRC his Q "crit" basically just does 150% damage to targets under 15%.
Yeah, same as Shaco decieve and Cait headshot.
I dunno, I think +50% crit damage on last hit kinda useless, rather just have 20 more AD.
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And lifesteal. Useful in lane since just last hitting gives you a ton of sustain through crits.
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On June 05 2012 16:26 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 16:24 Ryuu314 wrote:On June 05 2012 16:19 iCanada wrote:On June 05 2012 16:16 Ryuu314 wrote:On June 05 2012 16:11 iCanada wrote:
IE a total waste on Pantheon. You get more AD for less gold with a BT and certain death crits dont get the IE crit bonus much like Shaco decieve or Cait passive. You spend 800 more gold to get Crit stats that dont help and 20 less AD. Pretty sure Panth's crits from E passive do get the IE crit bonus. The difference is that Panth's E makes Panth's crit chance go to 100% the same way Ashe's passive increases her crit chance. Shaco's deceive specifically states how much it'll crit for. To clarify, Panth's auto attack crits do get affected, however his ability crits don't. His Q crit isn't really even a crit. IIRC his Q "crit" basically just does 150% damage to targets under 15%. Yeah, same as Shaco decieve and Cait headshot. I dunno, I think +50% crit damage on last hit kinda useless, rather just have 20 more AD.
yea i agree with you. but the guy seems to be doin okay with it at 2.1k elo so iunno
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Just because you 2k+ Elo doesn't mean you build good items.
Dan Dihn is like 2.3k Elo... enough said.
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On June 05 2012 17:26 iCanada wrote:
Just because you 2k+ Elo doesn't mean you build good items.
Dan Dihn is like 2.3k Elo... enough said.
Dan happens to be a fucking amazing player, Dyrus once told me that Dan was the reason EG was so good back when they were both on the team.
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Great player, stupid builds.
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On June 05 2012 15:03 HughMyron wrote:
Also, what's the deal with this Arch Angeloid dude? He's 2100+ and has 500+ Panth games, but he has the most bizarre Pantheon build I've seen. Some concoction with Brut / IE / Mallet / LW. Do you think that IE has merit on Pantheon?
my elo > his so do my build, huehuehuehue.
his build is fine. it's essentially a modified old-school maknoon build with IE to compensate for the fact that atma's is a little weak right now. it's never really fit my playstyle and I think he'd do a lot better with BT than IE, but if it works, it works.
the oddest thing about his build IMO is that he opts for atma's over upgrading to ghostblade after bruta/ie/mallet/lw. ghostblade would be cashmoney with your IE and Mallet for obliterating targets you're isolated against. for mallet pantheon builds, I would personally recommend opening 1-2 dblades -> bruta -> phage -> BT -> Mallet -> Ghostblade -> LW + GA, but as they're not really my style, I don't feel comfortable saying that with any real confidence.
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On June 05 2012 21:48 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Great player, stupid builds.
He does do some pretty dumb things sometimes.. atleast i wasnt the only one who noticed >_>
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On June 05 2012 18:06 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 17:26 iCanada wrote:
Just because you 2k+ Elo doesn't mean you build good items.
Dan Dihn is like 2.3k Elo... enough said. Dan happens to be a fucking amazing player, Dyrus once told me that Dan was the reason EG was so good back when they were both on the team.
My point exactly.
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Yeah, I was watching Arch on the featured games list, I some things he did made me think "da fuk." Also he isn't a huge fan of DBlades for some reason.
I dunno, I'll just stick to Brut / BT / GA / LW, it works for me. I know that Ryden7 usually opts for a Warmog's for his defensive item, though, which is interesting.
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I'm gonna go on record as an egotistical jerkass and say that my pantheon is king and that these Ryden7 and ArchAngeloid jokers need to get on my level.
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There's also Biotoxin on EUW, but he builds DBlade / Brut / BT / LW too hehe.
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So... should Pantheon get rolled by swain?
I was like 40 CS ahead when he hit six, I fought him and just died.
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On June 06 2012 15:40 iCanada wrote:
So... should Pantheon get rolled by swain?
I was like 40 CS ahead when he hit six, I fought him and just died.
Your ignite was down ? He had max mana ? You didn't harass him ?
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On June 06 2012 16:03 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 15:40 iCanada wrote:
So... should Pantheon get rolled by swain?
I was like 40 CS ahead when he hit six, I fought him and just died. Your ignite was down ? He had max mana ? You didn't harass him ?
I did all of those things.
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I'm really good at dying in lane to people I am facerolling.
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Errr with a 40 cs lead you should have stomped him?
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On June 06 2012 16:14 JerKy wrote:
Errr with a 40 cs lead you should have stomped him?
Thats what I thought too.
We were both like 60% HP, I was on Double dorans boots he had boots mana crystal. We both ignited and got our full combo off minus Swain's Nevermove which I flashed, I died he lived with like 150~ hp.
Am I doing something horribly wrong? I felt like I had zero kill potential on him, and even with a huge item advantage trades were fairly even. I was rocking a AD reds AD quints Flat MR Yellows and blues, just felt awful. My instinct tells me that next time I see swain I should just start boots and skip Dorans altogether in favour of double null magic mantles -> Hexdrinker/Mercs and just farm while not dying.
EDIT: I guess he had blue buff and just hit six. Probably just a bad spot for me to commit. Shoulda just dodged until his blue gone and whittled down his mana first. I hate laning against swain, always have... he has so much range, and even if you get a fair trade he just heals up with his ult... its not even like you can punish him super hard before six, because they just give him blue.
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