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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
June 06 2012 16:05 GMT
#821
On June 06 2012 16:22 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 16:14 JerKy wrote:
Errr with a 40 cs lead you should have stomped him?


Thats what I thought too.

We were both like 60% HP, I was on Double dorans boots he had boots mana crystal. We both ignited and got our full combo off minus Swain's Nevermove which I flashed, I died he lived with like 150~ hp.

Am I doing something horribly wrong? I felt like I had zero kill potential on him, and even with a huge item advantage trades were fairly even. I was rocking a AD reds AD quints Flat MR Yellows and blues, just felt awful. My instinct tells me that next time I see swain I should just start boots and skip Dorans altogether in favour of double null magic mantles -> Hexdrinker/Mercs and just farm while not dying.

EDIT: I guess he had blue buff and just hit six. Probably just a bad spot for me to commit. Shoulda just dodged until his blue gone and whittled down his mana first. I hate laning against swain, always have... he has so much range, and even if you get a fair trade he just heals up with his ult... its not even like you can punish him super hard before six, because they just give him blue.

-.-

ArPen reds would go a long way for you too since Swains don't build armor for a long ass time. The matchup isn't that hard, but @ 6 you have to be very cautious about committing. If he has blue, you just harass him to encourage him to ult to heal it off and call over a jungle gank. It's sorta like facing rumble, he has to push in order to trade effectively, and he has even worse escapes than Rumble does, so just gank his balls off. If he doesn't have blue, you can wear away at his mana pool pretty easily too.
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Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1961 Posts
June 07 2012 16:24 GMT
#822
Lately i had some games top against people starting cloth and defensive masteries. They were still hurting from my spears, but mostly it resulted in me being oom and him starting to chuck his 4th pot. Should i just wait for level 3 to start throwing stuff at him, or do is try my best to destroy their very existence?
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
June 07 2012 16:30 GMT
#823
On June 08 2012 01:24 Broetchenholer wrote:
Lately i had some games top against people starting cloth and defensive masteries. They were still hurting from my spears, but mostly it resulted in me being oom and him starting to chuck his 4th pot. Should i just wait for level 3 to start throwing stuff at him, or do is try my best to destroy their very existence?

depends how they're playing the lane. if they wanna commit to you, you spear as much as possible while autoing and you win. if they're disengaging when you try to attack them, you conserve mana @ levels 2 and 4 and wait for your next rank in spear shot to get the most of your mana.
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 07 2012 19:35 GMT
#824
Are Pantheon spears supposed to disappear when you die?

Was laning against a Nasus, hit 2 and realized I could burst him pretty easily. He went in for CS, I Q->W->Ignite->auto->Q, and the last spear should have been more than enough to kill him... however their Riven comes out to level 2 gank (bitch must have been in the brush for a long time...) at the same time.

Nasus flashes before last spear hits with like 50~ HP and ignite on him (spear keeps following) but I die before the spear hit him. The spear just like... dissapeared and he got away with like 20 HP.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
June 07 2012 19:37 GMT
#825
I've never seen that happen if the spear's already in flight.
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 07 2012 19:52 GMT
#826
This is one of those moments where I wish LoL had replays.

I dunno, its possible I miscalculated, but he only had ~250 HP. I feel like he should have died 100% if the spear actually hit. I guess if he had full armor runes and the cloth he was rocking he could have survived with pot/passive heal. There were also a ton of minions, probably should have just kept him zoned.
HughMyron
Profile Joined April 2012
297 Posts
June 08 2012 18:42 GMT
#827
So, does anyone Jungle Panth anymore? I think it's cute to do in Normals and Low Elo, but not useful for much besides that.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
June 08 2012 18:45 GMT
#828
On June 09 2012 03:42 HughMyron wrote:
So, does anyone Jungle Panth anymore? I think it's cute to do in Normals and Low Elo, but not useful for much besides that.

that's about right. his clear is meh, ganks are stronk, but not stronk enough to justify him over other strong gankers. Essentially, nocturne is just better than Pantheon out of the jangle.
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HughMyron
Profile Joined April 2012
297 Posts
June 08 2012 20:31 GMT
#829
On June 09 2012 03:45 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 03:42 HughMyron wrote:
So, does anyone Jungle Panth anymore? I think it's cute to do in Normals and Low Elo, but not useful for much besides that.

that's about right. his clear is meh, ganks are stronk, but not stronk enough to justify him over other strong gankers. Essentially, nocturne is just better than Pantheon out of the jangle.


Yeah I think so too. Panth's only thing he has is that his stun is instant, and I think he does a bit more DPS early on, but that doesn't make up for Noct's other advantages over him.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
June 08 2012 21:00 GMT
#830
On June 09 2012 05:31 HughMyron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 03:45 Mogwai wrote:
On June 09 2012 03:42 HughMyron wrote:
So, does anyone Jungle Panth anymore? I think it's cute to do in Normals and Low Elo, but not useful for much besides that.

that's about right. his clear is meh, ganks are stronk, but not stronk enough to justify him over other strong gankers. Essentially, nocturne is just better than Pantheon out of the jangle.


Yeah I think so too. Panth's only thing he has is that his stun is instant, and I think he does a bit more DPS early on, but that doesn't make up for Noct's other advantages over him.

He also has a stronger gank bot @ level 6. His ult completely circumvents wards which is very very powerful. But still, meh, Noct does a lot more damage building tankier and his ult is ultimately more useful @ level 11+, not to mention the safer and faster jungling.
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OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
June 08 2012 21:44 GMT
#831
On June 07 2012 01:05 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 16:22 iCanada wrote:
On June 06 2012 16:14 JerKy wrote:
Errr with a 40 cs lead you should have stomped him?


Thats what I thought too.

We were both like 60% HP, I was on Double dorans boots he had boots mana crystal. We both ignited and got our full combo off minus Swain's Nevermove which I flashed, I died he lived with like 150~ hp.

Am I doing something horribly wrong? I felt like I had zero kill potential on him, and even with a huge item advantage trades were fairly even. I was rocking a AD reds AD quints Flat MR Yellows and blues, just felt awful. My instinct tells me that next time I see swain I should just start boots and skip Dorans altogether in favour of double null magic mantles -> Hexdrinker/Mercs and just farm while not dying.

EDIT: I guess he had blue buff and just hit six. Probably just a bad spot for me to commit. Shoulda just dodged until his blue gone and whittled down his mana first. I hate laning against swain, always have... he has so much range, and even if you get a fair trade he just heals up with his ult... its not even like you can punish him super hard before six, because they just give him blue.

-.-

ArPen reds would go a long way for you too since Swains don't build armor for a long ass time. The matchup isn't that hard, but @ 6 you have to be very cautious about committing. If he has blue, you just harass him to encourage him to ult to heal it off and call over a jungle gank. It's sorta like facing rumble, he has to push in order to trade effectively, and he has even worse escapes than Rumble does, so just gank his balls off. If he doesn't have blue, you can wear away at his mana pool pretty easily too.

good swains go RoA > chain vest or 2x dorans and maybe a kage lucky pick > chain vest :p
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
June 08 2012 21:46 GMT
#832
On June 09 2012 06:44 OutlaW- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 01:05 Mogwai wrote:
On June 06 2012 16:22 iCanada wrote:
On June 06 2012 16:14 JerKy wrote:
Errr with a 40 cs lead you should have stomped him?


Thats what I thought too.

We were both like 60% HP, I was on Double dorans boots he had boots mana crystal. We both ignited and got our full combo off minus Swain's Nevermove which I flashed, I died he lived with like 150~ hp.

Am I doing something horribly wrong? I felt like I had zero kill potential on him, and even with a huge item advantage trades were fairly even. I was rocking a AD reds AD quints Flat MR Yellows and blues, just felt awful. My instinct tells me that next time I see swain I should just start boots and skip Dorans altogether in favour of double null magic mantles -> Hexdrinker/Mercs and just farm while not dying.

EDIT: I guess he had blue buff and just hit six. Probably just a bad spot for me to commit. Shoulda just dodged until his blue gone and whittled down his mana first. I hate laning against swain, always have... he has so much range, and even if you get a fair trade he just heals up with his ult... its not even like you can punish him super hard before six, because they just give him blue.

-.-

ArPen reds would go a long way for you too since Swains don't build armor for a long ass time. The matchup isn't that hard, but @ 6 you have to be very cautious about committing. If he has blue, you just harass him to encourage him to ult to heal it off and call over a jungle gank. It's sorta like facing rumble, he has to push in order to trade effectively, and he has even worse escapes than Rumble does, so just gank his balls off. If he doesn't have blue, you can wear away at his mana pool pretty easily too.

good swains go RoA > chain vest or 2x dorans and maybe a kage lucky pick > chain vest :p

right, they wait like 2K-3K gold before building armor, hence brutalizer smackdown.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-09 22:08:09
June 09 2012 22:05 GMT
#833
How do you cancel panth ult?

Also, panth jungle OP. Mobility boots, gank all day every day. Your ult lets you gank anything all day every day. GG Jungle is for camping, not for farming.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 09 2012 22:14 GMT
#834
By moving, like you would cancel any other channeled ability.
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
June 10 2012 01:46 GMT
#835
You might have to move to an area near your champ. When I'm using teleport and I click an area before the teleport animation ends, the teleport still goes through.
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Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1961 Posts
June 11 2012 12:37 GMT
#836
Pantheon is really crazy, i still have to lose a lane top with him. Granted i play against people 100 elo below me most of the time, they either get completely zoned or just die. I am really wondering when this will end And really hoping it does not. One thing i am currently struggling with is a point you address frequently in your streams. I tend to go bot at lvl 7-9 and kill them with my ult. However, in that time the enemy top free farms and might even take a tower. If i am not miles ahead of the enemy top, i guess this is baaaaaaaad. Another problem is playing against champs that scale better into lategame. Some of them can duel me at level 9 with half my cs and 3 less kills and 2 levels less. Mostly Jax on my elo. But same thing happened with a Morde lately, that had opened shield, tabis, cloth amplyfying tome and suddenly started to kick my ass...wtf?!
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 11 2012 13:14 GMT
#837
On June 10 2012 07:05 0123456789 wrote:
How do you cancel panth ult?

Also, panth jungle OP. Mobility boots, gank all day every day. Your ult lets you gank anything all day every day. GG Jungle is for camping, not for farming.

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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
June 11 2012 15:03 GMT
#838
On June 11 2012 21:37 Broetchenholer wrote:
Pantheon is really crazy, i still have to lose a lane top with him. Granted i play against people 100 elo below me most of the time, they either get completely zoned or just die. I am really wondering when this will end And really hoping it does not. One thing i am currently struggling with is a point you address frequently in your streams. I tend to go bot at lvl 7-9 and kill them with my ult. However, in that time the enemy top free farms and might even take a tower. If i am not miles ahead of the enemy top, i guess this is baaaaaaaad. Another problem is playing against champs that scale better into lategame. Some of them can duel me at level 9 with half my cs and 3 less kills and 2 levels less. Mostly Jax on my elo. But same thing happened with a Morde lately, that had opened shield, tabis, cloth amplyfying tome and suddenly started to kick my ass...wtf?!

you should be able to still stomp both of them, you just need to play it right. Q @ Jax continually on every CD. Attack him when he jumps on you. Run when he activates dodge. After his dodge stun, get back on top of him to attack with your W. The next time he tries to disengage, HSS to the back as he runs. If you're as ahead as you're saying, you will crush him.

Morde, just pick fights at places where he cannot be charging his shield on creeps and hit you at the same time. The only way he's winning that 1v1 is if he's getting to unload on you and fully charge his shield on creeps with the same casts.
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Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1961 Posts
June 11 2012 15:15 GMT
#839
Sounds logical. Thx for the input.
HughMyron
Profile Joined April 2012
297 Posts
June 11 2012 21:41 GMT
#840
I think Jax should be beatable now after the nerf. Remember that judicious use of Panth's W will block autoattacks, so a lot of what you're being hit by is Empower and Ult procs, and Empower got nerfed by nearly 20%.
Platinum III, Kayle/Janna/Ashe Fanboy, HUEHUEHUE
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