EPT[Champion] Pantheon - Page 35
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Gaslo
Finland951 Posts
OH well, they sent pantheon mid and kennen top, so did not get to see that counter in action.  | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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GhostOwl
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Wu is my secondary main, and I usually have a lot of trouble playing him verse Pantheon. I feel like Pantheon directly counters my Wu, and I have trouble with Tyrn also. I've been using various different strategy for versing Pantheon, but if I try to lasthit, I get a spear to the face, and if I try to trade blows, he always come out on top through his passive. The only thing I've been doing is decoying right when he chucks his spear and stuns me, then I go in to deal the damage after his skills have been used up... How do you fight Pantheon as Wu? | ||
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TwoToneTerran
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tokicheese
Canada739 Posts
I roughly go Dblade--> Beserker Boots> Phage> Zeal> Tri Force> Frozen Warhammer After FH I either get Force of Nature for more survivability if the casters are fed or Madreds Blood Razer if we are steam rolling team fights. I've had really good success so far because I can dominate my lane early on with just boots and Dblade and then TF allows me too keep pushing hard and usually kill my tower after racking up some kills and denying CS. Just curious as to how viable you guys think this is. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I wouldn't go MBR either, it relies on attack speed and completely ignores Panth's superb AD scaling. Even when going a tanky route, you should still make sure to get AD and lifesteal to make the better out of his HSS' AD scaling and "passive" lifesteal (autocrits sup). | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On April 21 2012 22:45 GhostOwl wrote: Hey Mogwai, I noticed you made the Wukong thread as well. Wu is my secondary main, and I usually have a lot of trouble playing him verse Pantheon. I feel like Pantheon directly counters my Wu, and I have trouble with Tyrn also. I've been using various different strategy for versing Pantheon, but if I try to lasthit, I get a spear to the face, and if I try to trade blows, he always come out on top through his passive. The only thing I've been doing is decoying right when he chucks his spear and stuns me, then I go in to deal the damage after his skills have been used up... How do you fight Pantheon as Wu? This is the Pantheon thread so I'll just reply to the Pantheon matchup here. Pantheon destroys Wu up until 6, at which point Wu can start threatening Pantheon with his ult. If they're left alone, Pantheon will just beat Wukong, but if Wu can get a gank and a small lead, he can steamroll the lane by going balls out with his ult on every CD. If you're looking for ways to outplay Pantheon with Wu, you should be looking to get on top of him by using W to stealth, then go for auto-attack to break his passive -> Q hit before he can recharge it, then use E + R on him while your Q armor reduction is still in effect for maximum burst. You can't trade with him without your ult though, so you really have to be able to kill him in 1 combo, which is why ganks are so huge for Wukong in the matchup. On April 26 2012 16:40 tokicheese wrote: I've been building Pantheon really tanky so I can sky fall into the middle of a fight after its initiated and do the 1000 dmg and then stay in the middle and pound faces. I roughly go Dblade--> Beserker Boots> Phage> Zeal> Tri Force> Frozen Warhammer After FH I either get Force of Nature for more survivability if the casters are fed or Madreds Blood Razer if we are steam rolling team fights. I've had really good success so far because I can dominate my lane early on with just boots and Dblade and then TF allows me too keep pushing hard and usually kill my tower after racking up some kills and denying CS. Just curious as to how viable you guys think this is. The build is bad and completely nonviable at a high level of play, but if it works for you, do w/e you like. You're completely wasting Pantheon's potential by not building high AD items though. | ||
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PieceOCake
United States67 Posts
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SHr3DD3r
Pakistan2137 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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affinity
United States266 Posts
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Lancer723
United States486 Posts
On May 07 2012 13:35 affinity wrote: I think how ult->stun works is when the ult is casting, you can queue up another skill. What I mean by the "skill casting" is when you use the ult, the bar first fills up, then depletes - as it's depleting, if you cast W on a valid target, it'll queue up the W. I think this also means queuing up a spear for weak targets or hss for entering a fight late might be possible. I always thought of it simply that the game register Pantheon as having landed as soon as the landing animation starts, meaning you can stun as the explosion animation is still happening. | ||
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Piggiez
393 Posts
On May 07 2012 13:35 affinity wrote: I think how ult->stun works is when the ult is casting, you can queue up another skill. What I mean by the "skill casting" is when you use the ult, the bar first fills up, then depletes - as it's depleting, if you cast W on a valid target, it'll queue up the W. I think this also means queuing up a spear for weak targets or hss for entering a fight late might be possible. It is. There's nothing funnier than seeing your spear come from flying from the air as you land. | ||
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
On May 07 2012 15:01 Piggiez wrote: It is. There's nothing funnier than seeing your spear come from flying from the air as you land. The best is when they flash out of range and you get a super long range spear. You can't escape the spear of destiny | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On May 07 2012 17:33 Xenocide_Knight wrote: The best is when they flash out of range and you get a super long range spear. You can't escape the spear of destiny I prefer buffering stun, and then having them flash... Only to be lept on from afar. Picked up this and some other great shit from this thread, like tower diving and casting + canceling e immediately in between auto / q, to re stack passive. I don't recall if it's in the op, but with correct skill usage you can block like 3 out of 4 hits, which is atrocious considering how much dmg panth can put out during that time. Yeah it's in the op. Smash number 1 guide maker | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1967 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On May 07 2012 19:50 Broetchenholer wrote: Buyed Pantheon this weekend and had some fun games, he definetely is one of those champs that are really satisfying to play. As i was playing blind pick, next game i ran into shen. Holy cow. I do understand that shen is permabanned at my levl for a reason, but holy cow. I am pretty sure that Shen is on another powerlevel right now and betas most top lanes, but that was just ridiculous. He started shield and outtraded me, out sustained me and all of that without needing mana. So is there even a slightest chance of fighting a highsustain heroe like Shen or GP or Yorick? Warwick got destroyed because he couldn't fight back, but which heroes should i, by any means, avoid if possible? And if i do get them in blind pick, how do i play? That shen just get me to 50%, then he dove me, getting 3-4 tower hits, me stunning him with w and still getting away. Wtf? Panth vs Shen is pretty much an autolose match up. I didn't know either, until my first experience with it. It's one of the worst scenarios that can happen as a Panth player. As Panth you want to be avoiding any champion that has a spammable shield or very high regen. Pretty much anyone that can shrug off your harass and can beat you in a war of attrition with ease is going to make you have a bad day. You should be able to beat GP though. GP is different from Shen and Yorick mainly because his Q counts as a basic attack so your shield blocks his harass, and he runs out of mana much more if he's leveling his W for sustain (whereas Shen can spam his Q and his W pretty much for free, and Yorick naturally builds mana items while also being able to harass and heal with his E). Generally it seems that you can outtrade GP but Shen shits on you and Yorick is just an asshole. I really don't think Shen beats most top lanes or anything like that though. He's "safe" I guess, but he still has bad match ups. He just happens to be really good against Panth. | ||
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