EPT[Champion] Pantheon - Page 33
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Mogwai
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billy5000
United States865 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On April 03 2012 04:12 billy5000 wrote: how does panth do against morde? i'm not too familiar with panth's matchups (i just assume i win most of them), but i had a relatively hard time against a morde after level 6. should i just not pick panth when they go morde top or is there an optimal playstyle/itemization against him? zone him off creeps for levels 1-5 and snowball. Morde cannot fight Pantheon low levels and you should just get a massive advantage before he gets strong enough to do anything. At least that's always how it's gone for me. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On April 03 2012 04:14 TwoToneTerran wrote: Panth is really strong against morde before 6 because his shield is too weak and anyone who's spending hp to do anything in lane is going to get steamrolled if they let pantheon harass them. Except Vlad I guess :p | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
Vlad gets zoned pretty hard by Panth from 1-6. By the time he hits 7 you should have a big lead on him with at least a bruta. Your spears should be chunking him pretty hard by then. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Mogwai
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Ryuu314
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panzer
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On April 03 2012 05:49 Mogwai wrote: I think most Vlads just spec bad tbh. I think Vlad should be going balls out counter specs to cover early lane weaknesses and then he's pretty fucking impossible to deal with. very true, i got a special mpen armor page vs wiseguys that try to pantheon me whenever i play vlad or kass. panth is very annoying in the same way as vlad but panth runs out of mana very fast and is very very very easy to bait him as the only way to play panth is to go balls deep agro. after getting tabi his haras is very weak. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5256 Posts
"fck it i'll follow this build and get GA, go balls to the wall". We proceed to win 2 consecutive baron battles and win, I go 19/6/X. I have no idea how panth can get away surviving teamfights with nearly pure damage items but its fn awesome. He's just so good at sticking onto squishy AD/AP carries and finishing them off thanks to his skillset. Thanks for the guide. | ||
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Eishi_Ki
Korea (South)1667 Posts
For advice on the Panth vs X matchup, see thread page yy-zz, Morde has been asked too many times its not rly funny anymore (patches haven't changed the matchup at all recently) | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
The only champion I have had trouble with is Nautilus. I have only played it once but he has crazy gank assist between snare popup slow and pull which is something I find Pantheon really struggles with (and the enemy jungler was a Warwick.) I also know Malphite is a bitch to face but thankfully no one has pulled that on me even when I pick Pantheon earlier than I would like. I tend to go boots 3 start or dorans blade, ask jungler for a level 2 gank if they have good cc (alistar or udyr generally,) pick up an early kill or zone the shit out of them. I like boots 3 better, easier to get in range since most people start with cloth 5, and then zone while pushing the lane slowly. Go back and buy dorans blade, a ward or 2 and some pots. 2nd back get another dorans ward and pots, when I hit 6 gank mid. I normally grab a brutalizer and then continue to truck kids. Following the guide still I get a BT and keep on trucking. After BT i honestly like to go giants belt into atmas, leaving the giants belt and then finishing and MoM. After MoM i build Warmogs and then sell Bruta for LW, or if enemy team is stacking armor I will sell buy a LW and sell Bruta to finish something else. I have only completed that build 2 times but you are really tanky and your damage doesn't fall off ever. I dont like playing pantheon as an assassin with GA, I don't find the revive on him to be a great thing, he is decent at cleaning up fights but I really feel like I have to carry fights so I find the tanky but still crazy damage build to work well. I know that sounds like a lot of money late but if you get a good lead on Pantheon it is still really easy to secure kills and objectives so your cash flow is continuous. Anyway thats my thoughts after going 10-2 with him my past 12 games and carrying myself to gold. ^^ | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On April 04 2012 19:43 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Smash, you still feel the same about dblade first over boots? Lately I've been tending to open boots top and get my boots2 earlier (zerks usually) just so i can win my lane really, really hard. it's about 50/50 on which I open. depends on the matchup and, more importantly, the opposing jungler. in lane, I'm always getting early ninja tabi or late mercs. I should actually probably use zerkers more in certain lanes when I'm purple (to take small gols), but they mostly feel like jungling boots on Panth to me. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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noggnoskill
United States97 Posts
Unless you're Lee Sin who can do everything from gap closing to finishing people off by yourself you have to rely on your teammates to not be complete idiots to set up a successful gank. But really, I think Lee Sin is a little bit broken, and comparing him to anyone just isn't even fair. His early game is terrifying, and with 6 items he has almost 400 AD, 160+ MR/Armor, and ~3300 HP. But this is a Mantheon topic for Mantheon. So we gotta talk about chucking spears at people. Like a man. Pantheon ganks are really scary, especially with dblade start. Every time I've played against one he's gotten at least 4 kills by 10 minutes, but his clear speed is so abysmal that you can just take all his ice cream while he camps the lanes. He's a lot like Nautilus; the ganks are absolutely terrifying if he can get to you, but he has pretty terrible jungle control early on. Generally you don't even want to get a wriggles on Pantheon because everything but the ward and the proc is almost completely wasted. Dblades give you enough lifesteal with the HSS passive and you want to get a BF Sword as soon as possible (unless you're doing some kind of tankier pansy build). Anything in this game can work, but don't expect to consistently perform well against good players with it. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Also, what's the best way to deal with Pantheons dropoff lategame and how should I act in teamfights? Usually I sit back and chuck spears until someone gets low and I can jump on them and combo or I jump on the AD carry as soon as the rest of their team blows all their CC/ults. Am I doing it right? | ||
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