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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
February 13 2012 20:49 GMT
#601
Probably not. Next Smash stream will probably be Wednesday night, but I plan on streaming a bunch on this 3-day weekend.
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Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
February 28 2012 03:10 GMT
#602
Hey all, just started playing Panth and have a question. How do you deal with an armor stacking Irelia mid-game? I was wrecking her until about 15 minutes in, then once she got Wriggles+HoG it became a problem trading. Once she got Randuins I couldn't do jack, but then we started teamfighting and won. Eventually I got more ArPen+Dmg items, but I was just curious about how to deal with that mid-game and not letting it affect your lead? Went from 4-0 to 4-3 vs her. Thanks in advance, and great guide Mogwai
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
February 28 2012 04:13 GMT
#603
Abuse the lead you've edged out and abuse your superior mobility with ult. Chances are if you are 4-0 you will be strong enough to straight up ult their mid under tower, kill them, and escape. Just tell you mid what you're doing, and fire away. This is pretty much always enough to get mid turret, or force dragon. Note: you can do the exact same thing with bot if you want. Oh, and it's also a good idea to clue your jungler i on your plan, so he can be ready for dragon, or soaking up XP top as needed.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
February 28 2012 17:36 GMT
#604
On February 28 2012 12:10 Mondeezy wrote:
Hey all, just started playing Panth and have a question. How do you deal with an armor stacking Irelia mid-game? I was wrecking her until about 15 minutes in, then once she got Wriggles+HoG it became a problem trading. Once she got Randuins I couldn't do jack, but then we started teamfighting and won. Eventually I got more ArPen+Dmg items, but I was just curious about how to deal with that mid-game and not letting it affect your lead? Went from 4-0 to 4-3 vs her. Thanks in advance, and great guide Mogwai

If she's telegraphing a stupidly high armor build, you basically have 3 options.
1. skip brutalizer and instead rush bloodthirster. after bloodthirster, rush last whisper.
2. build normally and accept that you can't trade with her (farm lane, look for ult ganks).
3. wait for the 2nd armor item (usually whatever comes after wriggle's) and then switch with your AP mid.
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HeavenS
Profile Joined August 2004
Colombia2259 Posts
March 02 2012 15:06 GMT
#605
wowww props on this guide man i tried it and ive been completely raping lately. thanks!!
Im cooler than the other side of the pillow.
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
March 06 2012 03:38 GMT
#606
How does pantheon fare against wukong and olaf?
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
GARO
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2255 Posts
March 06 2012 05:15 GMT
#607
On March 06 2012 12:38 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
How does pantheon fare against wukong and olaf?

He easily beats monkey from 1-6
Don't know about Olaf.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 06 2012 05:59 GMT
#608
he wins both those lanes pretty hard, but as with most panth lanes, if he ever gets ganked and set back it becomes pretty rough.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-13 16:18:11
March 13 2012 16:00 GMT
#609
Smashed (w/o pun) an Udyr who started boots+3, but even while I won all trades and would weaken him little by little, I thought it took an awful lot of time to do so, with turtle being some kind of pain until I got my BFS.
He'd go into turtle as soon as he'd see my Q's casting anim, and whenever I tried to sneak near him to hit before he could react he'd just activate bear instead and run at me (here I stun, step back, kite him because I've got MS quints and we're in the middle of my creeps to hinder his pathing, then Q when he turns back -> he shields, back to square one).

Is Pantheon supposed to beat an Udyr played right (cloth+5 and possibly armor quints for example)? The window between a shieldless Q and a bearstun looks pretty tight, so it's kinda hard to harass and if I ever get caught up in a straight-up fight I expect his tiger stance to shred me. Is the additional time it takes to kill him a set back, or too strong to make him reliably dunked if played right (I sure as hell have areas to improve in myself, like here zone control from his bear)?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 13 2012 16:08 GMT
#610
On March 14 2012 01:00 Alaric wrote:
Smashed (w/o pun) an Udyr who started boots+3, but even while I won all trades and would weaken him little by little, I thought it took an awful lot of time to do so, with turtle being some kind of pain until I got my BFS.
He'd go into turtle as soon as he'd see my Q's casting anim, and whenever I tried to sneak near him to hit before he could react he'd just activate bear instead and run at me (here I stun, step back, kit-ue him because I've got MS quints and we're in the middle of my creeps to hinder his pathing, then Q when he turns back -> he shields, back to square one).

Is Pantheon supposed to beat an Udyr played right (cloth+5 and possibly armor quints for example)? The window between a shieldless Q and a bearstun looks pretty tight, so it's kinda hard to harass and if I ever get caught up in a straight-up fight I expect his tiger stance to shred me. Is the additional time it takes to kill him a set back, or too strong to make him reliably dunked if played right (I sure as hell have areas to improve in myself, like here zone control from his bear)?

I tend to beat udyrs pretty hard before wriggle's, but Udyr has all the tools to survive within 20 cs of Pantheon until wriggle's and post wriggle's, it's just GG for Pantheon. Most Udyrs are pretty bad, but a well played one will not lose too badly to Pantheon early and then crush him later.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-13 16:18:26
March 13 2012 16:17 GMT
#611
Quoting oneself instead of editing is bad.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 16 2012 23:07 GMT
#612
updated with a vod of 2 games where I played vs. Fiora and Irelia.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 17 2012 16:06 GMT
#613
Fiora started boots, does that even count? By the way, why did you start boots, because of the jungling Udyr on the enemy team, to be able to outrun Bear ganks?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 18 2012 11:48 GMT
#614
I more or less quit top because early ganks have been ruining me, so when I do play it, I've just been opening safer items. Also at this level, I don't need to bully people at level 1 to beat them. I can wait for level 3 to start applying real pressure and still win, so the risk vs. reward has been driving me towards boots openings recently.
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anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
March 18 2012 15:56 GMT
#615
Smash could you give some advice for laning 'against' pantheon as a non-sustain guy like jax/wukong etc? What are the general things, if any, to keep in mind in order to minimize damage vs a pantheons? Or maybe any typical mistakes a not-so-good pantheon player may make that I can capitalize on.
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 19 2012 13:22 GMT
#616
On March 19 2012 00:56 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Smash could you give some advice for laning 'against' pantheon as a non-sustain guy like jax/wukong etc? What are the general things, if any, to keep in mind in order to minimize damage vs a pantheons? Or maybe any typical mistakes a not-so-good pantheon player may make that I can capitalize on.

let yourself get zoned off CS but not off XP until level 6 or when you have jungle ganks coming. I mean, really you just don't want to play these matchups, Panth wins them pretty hard.
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Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 17:26:19
March 19 2012 17:25 GMT
#617
How do you guys deal vs a Yorick at top, with a jungle Shyv babysitting him?

I played pretty aggro vs him early on, was trading successfully. But once he hit level 4 and was spamming 3 ghouls every time I jumped on him it became a shit-show. Not to mention Shyv would come top at least once a minute--not to much effect, but it was annoying and let Yorick catch up in CS. My jungle came up to gank once..made him blow a flash but not much else(Nocturne was jungle). We ended up winning, but that's because our AD carry completely outclassed theirs and I ended up getting fed off ganking other lanes, not specifically my 1v1 matchup. Halp?
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
RaiD.RaynoR
Profile Joined February 2012
United States294 Posts
March 19 2012 17:28 GMT
#618
sooooooo OP lul pantheon mandrop 1000 damage lulnerfhammer in cumming

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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 19 2012 17:29 GMT
#619
nothing to help, that's the matchup. deal with it.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 17:56:08
March 19 2012 17:54 GMT
#620
On March 20 2012 02:29 Mogwai wrote:
nothing to help, that's the matchup. deal with it.


Are there any variations to the itemization that could be changed to better deal with it? Once I got BT I was fine, but before that it was near impossible. If not, I guess I'll just bend over and take it in the ass on the rare occasion that I do play him.

Also, does Manth have a straight up counter? I have yet to lose to anyone besides Yorick.
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
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