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On January 31 2012 09:45 Alzadar wrote:
So fun to play Cho'Gath vs Pantheon from the other perspective for a change. Build order: Cloth, Cloth, Chain Vest, Boots. Huehuehue why is that little man tickling me.
"Hey, yo, Cassiopeia"
"sup?"
"This cho top has 40mres and 120 armor, wanna switch?"
"sure bro"
"k ima ult mid to kill that Brand and you can roll top afterwards!"
=P
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On January 31 2012 10:02 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 09:45 Alzadar wrote:
So fun to play Cho'Gath vs Pantheon from the other perspective for a change. Build order: Cloth, Cloth, Chain Vest, Boots. Huehuehue why is that little man tickling me. "Hey, yo, Cassiopeia" "sup?" "This cho top has 40mres and 120 armor, wanna switch?" "sure bro" "k ima ult mid to kill that Brand and you can roll top afterwards!" =P
Except Cassiopeia was our mid, laning against her sister. They should have switched, but I think I would have been ok if they had. Kat can't ult me, I outsustain BB and shunpo on to me is a pretty bad idea as well.
It was a pretty bizarre game, I was queuing with 3 friends and the random picked Ezreal so we went Cho, Cass, Jarvan and Sona, only to realize ingame he was AP Ezreal.
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How about auto attack pantheon? It's probably a troll build but with his passive it might work.. and ionic spark is fun :3
Opinions?
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On February 10 2012 04:12 Arnovic wrote:
How about auto attack pantheon? It's probably a troll build but with his passive it might work.. and ionic spark is fun :3
Opinions?
it's terrible.
if I want to auto with Pantheon I'll go ghostblade, cleaver, triforce. straight AS sucks because then you're only building around his passive and not using the scaling on any of his other abilities.
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I love this guide. I had no idea how to play Pantheon before I read this.
Now, I am wondering if anyone has any troll pantheon support games to post. I'm talking, like sub 15cs with a non traditional carry on bot like AP Janna or something. Does this, Pansieon have any potential?
Also, how do you zone out mid lane? I'm a little confused about that, and it's sort of important for if you (or your mid) gets counterpicked.
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Psh, this guide sucks balls, and all your opinions are wrong.
It's all about AP pantheon. If you're not playing AP pantheon, you're not playing pantheon to his full potential. Stunning for like 800 damage, and then ulting on 5 people dealing like 2k dmg. Makes ziggs ult look like shit. NPNPNP, Carry team to victories all the time.
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After reading this guide I picked up pantheon and have never had so much fun playing a champ. I've started to branch out from Panth top lane, into panth jungle if someone has already picked a top. Soon imma start picking panth bot as a kill lane, just so i get a chance to play him.
Mandropping on people is just too much fun. Especially when they flash after you have already buffered W. "Oh, you're a screen away? NPNP".
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On February 11 2012 16:16 Dgiese wrote:
After reading this guide I picked up pantheon and have never had so much fun playing a champ. I've started to branch out from Panth top lane, into panth jungle if someone has already picked a top. Soon imma start picking panth bot as a kill lane, just so i get a chance to play him.
Mandropping on people is just too much fun. Especially when they flash after you have already buffered W. "Oh, you're a screen away? NPNP".
If you can get someone to duo q with you try going panth/leona bot lane. Funniest shit evah.
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On February 11 2012 16:17 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 16:16 Dgiese wrote:
After reading this guide I picked up pantheon and have never had so much fun playing a champ. I've started to branch out from Panth top lane, into panth jungle if someone has already picked a top. Soon imma start picking panth bot as a kill lane, just so i get a chance to play him.
Mandropping on people is just too much fun. Especially when they flash after you have already buffered W. "Oh, you're a screen away? NPNP". If you can get someone to duo q with you try going panth/leona bot lane. Funniest shit evah.
I can confirm this. Some of the most fun I've had on this game comes from playing panth/leona bot lane
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Just played with a panth top lane on my team. He went Philo -> mercs. I tried to link him to this thread after the game, but he left before I could post it in chat lobby 
Riot should totally do featured guides in additino to featured streams. Not fair that some people don't know the real joy of panth, just because they don't visit TL.
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On February 12 2012 02:51 Dgiese wrote:Just played with a panth top lane on my team. He went Philo -> mercs. I tried to link him to this thread after the game, but he left before I could post it in chat lobby Riot should totally do featured guides in additino to featured streams. Not fair that some people don't know the real joy of panth, just because they don't visit TL.
I kind of like that Pantheon is our little secret.
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I don't see it the same way. Cause... I didn't know about the awesomeness of Pantheon before I read this thread. What if Smash (and Loci) had decided to keep it as their little secret? May as well try to share the love.
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Pantheon doesn't seem that great vs nunu. I think this is a widely known thing. Aggressive pantheon today had 34 cs when I had over 100 :/
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On February 12 2012 05:07 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Pantheon doesn't seem that great vs nunu. I think this is a widely known thing. Aggressive pantheon today had 34 cs when I had over 100 :/
Well Pantheon already has a hard time zoning a GP maxing W first so I'd imagine a Nunu would be even more annoying with consume/iceball.
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On February 12 2012 06:40 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 05:07 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Pantheon doesn't seem that great vs nunu. I think this is a widely known thing. Aggressive pantheon today had 34 cs when I had over 100 :/ Well Pantheon already has a hard time zoning a GP maxing W first so I'd imagine a Nunu would be even more annoying with consume/iceball.
panth has a hard time vs GP's w because of the cc break, not necessarily because of the heal part. That said, nunu does seem really annoying to play against as a panth.
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Nunu's plentiful annoying against a large range of champs, both top and mid. Real lane bully there, it's just his scaling doesn't warrant giving him solo farm.
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On February 12 2012 06:45 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 06:40 Ryuu314 wrote:On February 12 2012 05:07 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Pantheon doesn't seem that great vs nunu. I think this is a widely known thing. Aggressive pantheon today had 34 cs when I had over 100 :/ Well Pantheon already has a hard time zoning a GP maxing W first so I'd imagine a Nunu would be even more annoying with consume/iceball. panth has a hard time vs GP's w because of the cc break, not necessarily because of the heal part. That said, nunu does seem really annoying to play against as a panth.
I'm by no means an expert, but I'd argue it's the other way around. I don't think he cares too much about the fact the CC removal because the best part about W is that it repositions Pantheon towards GP. With reaction time taken into account, I think the difference between using W and not using W when stunned as GP might be about one tick of HSS, which isn't all THAT much at lower levels. The problem is that a maxed W gives around 350 HP for 60 mana at level 9. Pantheon naturally pushes the lane (HSS is a zoning tool that damages creeps), so GP is free to farm at tower with Q while healing himself for 350 every 16 or so seconds.
I mean, there was no point in maxing W if it's main use was the CC removal.
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I have a quick question about buffering skills while ulting. You just need to press either q or w once when the second circle appears with the opponent inside, and then do nothing right? For some reason it doesn't work for me.
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On February 12 2012 07:29 Shiv. wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 06:45 barbsq wrote:On February 12 2012 06:40 Ryuu314 wrote:On February 12 2012 05:07 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Pantheon doesn't seem that great vs nunu. I think this is a widely known thing. Aggressive pantheon today had 34 cs when I had over 100 :/ Well Pantheon already has a hard time zoning a GP maxing W first so I'd imagine a Nunu would be even more annoying with consume/iceball. panth has a hard time vs GP's w because of the cc break, not necessarily because of the heal part. That said, nunu does seem really annoying to play against as a panth. I'm by no means an expert, but I'd argue it's the other way around. I don't think he cares too much about the fact the CC removal because the best part about W is that it repositions Pantheon towards GP. With reaction time taken into account, I think the difference between using W and not using W when stunned as GP might be about one tick of HSS, which isn't all THAT much at lower levels. The problem is that a maxed W gives around 350 HP for 60 mana at level 9. Pantheon naturally pushes the lane (HSS is a zoning tool that damages creeps), so GP is free to farm at tower with Q while healing himself for 350 every 16 or so seconds. I mean, there was no point in maxing W if it's main use was the CC removal.
Yes, you don't miss out on THAT much hss damage with the CC break, but the real problem is that you can't follow up the HSS with an additional autoattack and a spearshot. Typically, in a panth burst combo, I can pretty reliably Q, W, E, auto, Q. With the CC break, however, I only am able to get the q,w,e, and miss out on the last auto and Q damage, which is pretty significant. The cc break also is annoying because it means GP has to be a lot lower for you to be able to commit and kill him than other champs, because he just escapes your death combo.
As for the benefits of leveling W, the bonus heal is def part of the equation, but IMO, especially if GP is stocking up on pots, which he should be, the CD is a lot more valuable than the bonus healing.
Also, assuming panth has wards to avoid jungle ganks, GP simply cannot 'free farm under tower' because of how easy it is to just continuously spearshot him, and he cannot punish you for it, so pushing as panth isn't really an issue. GP does not, by any means, get a free pass simply by being under tower, like it happens with other champions. I typically only push that hard when I have flash tho, so that I can W + flash the jungler to safety if need be.
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On February 12 2012 18:21 [NoiSe] wrote:
I have a quick question about buffering skills while ulting. You just need to press either q or w once when the second circle appears with the opponent inside, and then do nothing right? For some reason it doesn't work for me.
it can be iffy sometimes, but yes, what you're saying is the correct way of doing it. It isn't really 100% reliable tho, I've had tons of times where i've W'd to a person and it simply didn't stun for whatever reason. I've also had tons of times where I hop enormous distances, which can be really weird. If you don't have smart-casting on, then once you press W (after the 2nd circle appears) you should get a range indicator inside the circle.
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On February 12 2012 06:49 Alaric wrote:
Nunu's plentiful annoying against a large range of champs, both top and mid. Real lane bully there, it's just his scaling doesn't warrant giving him solo farm.
It doesn't really matter. We both know pantheon's scaling isn't that great either so if he loses his lane badly, nunu is still stronger later in the game.
I'd agree gangplank would probably be a better counter though. I say probably because good nunu ults can win games, and midgame bloodboil can really boost an AD carry's dps.
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