EPT[Champion] Pantheon - Page 25
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On January 11 2012 04:25 turdburgler wrote: been jungling panth since he is on free week now. running 21/9/0 and opening vamp sceptor. it feels like if my team refuses to give me serious help on blue i have to back at lvl 2 and buy regrowth, is there anything i can do to be less at the mercy of retards? vamp scepter is a stupid opening. open boots + 3 or cloth + 5 and then camp lanes. Pantheon is actually a perfect new jungler, which is to say he camps lanes really well. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On January 10 2012 23:39 Shiv. wrote: While I can't comment on his teamfight strategy as I don't entirely grasp that myself, I'd suggest you check out this video of him playing against Riven. Actually, 2 Rivens. While those might not be perfect games, I think they show some brilliant use of HSS in order to abuse Riven's (mis)positioning in lane. I spent my last night browsing through his channel (fuck exams huehue) and it really helped me improve my laning phase a lot. When I watched that VOD I was like WTF IS HE TALKING ABOUT HE USES HSS JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE ... then he starts abusing that when the riven moves to cs she can a) get the cs and eat a full combo b) eat like 70% of a HSS while running back from it or c) commit to the fight and lose. Now I get it. ty smash & shiv. <3 | ||
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GARO
United States2255 Posts
When I watched that VOD I was like WTF IS HE TALKING ABOUT HE USES HSS JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE ... then he starts abusing that when the riven moves to cs she can a) get the cs and eat a full combo b) eat like 70% of a HSS while running back from it or c) commit to the fight and lose Not in stun range to make them eat HSS = no problem for those pro panths | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On January 11 2012 13:46 Mogwai wrote: well it's kinda a damn shame I didn't record my last game. was a shitty shitty start where an exhaust/ignite trynd got some lucky breaks on the level 1 fight and fucked me up for first blood. got raped up and down the lane, came into midgame a tower and a half and 20-30 CS down (even in kills, both 3/1, 1 kill on each other in lane, my extra kills on 1 good ult gank bot, his on invading our jungle), but then managed to legitimately carry my team through midgame by zoning trynd and GP off of my graves in teamfights. pretty much a perfect instructional game of how to play Pantheon effectively in teamfights and a prime example of when to build aegis on Panth, and I wasn't streaming... oh well. dont worry, we're all firm believers in the patented 'give first blood and end up winning anyways' smash gizbro strategy huehuehue | ||
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
On January 11 2012 13:46 Mogwai wrote: well it's kinda a damn shame I didn't record my last game. was a shitty shitty start where an exhaust/ignite trynd got some lucky breaks on the level 1 fight and fucked me up for first blood. got raped up and down the lane, came into midgame a tower and a half and 20-30 CS down (even in kills, both 3/1, 1 kill on each other in lane, my extra kills on 1 good ult gank bot, his on invading our jungle), but then managed to legitimately carry my team through midgame by zoning trynd and GP off of my graves in teamfights. pretty much a perfect instructional game of how to play Pantheon effectively in teamfights and a prime example of when to build aegis on Panth, and I wasn't streaming... oh well. you should run lolreplay for times like these! I'd really enjoy watching that game | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On January 11 2012 13:46 Mogwai wrote: well it's kinda a damn shame I didn't record my last game. was a shitty shitty start where an exhaust/ignite trynd got some lucky breaks on the level 1 fight and fucked me up for first blood. got raped up and down the lane, came into midgame a tower and a half and 20-30 CS down (even in kills, both 3/1, 1 kill on each other in lane, my extra kills on 1 good ult gank bot, his on invading our jungle), but then managed to legitimately carry my team through midgame by zoning trynd and GP off of my graves in teamfights. pretty much a perfect instructional game of how to play Pantheon effectively in teamfights and a prime example of when to build aegis on Panth, and I wasn't streaming... oh well. smash is such a tease :[ | ||
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Gaslo
Finland951 Posts
 Bought him instantly, and i think that i know what champ to practice next. | ||
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rwrzr
United States1980 Posts
On January 11 2012 13:46 Mogwai wrote: well it's kinda a damn shame I didn't record my last game. was a shitty shitty start where an exhaust/ignite trynd got some lucky breaks on the level 1 fight and fucked me up for first blood. got raped up and down the lane, came into midgame a tower and a half and 20-30 CS down (even in kills, both 3/1, 1 kill on each other in lane, my extra kills on 1 good ult gank bot, his on invading our jungle), but then managed to legitimately carry my team through midgame by zoning trynd and GP off of my graves in teamfights. pretty much a perfect instructional game of how to play Pantheon effectively in teamfights and a prime example of when to build aegis on Panth, and I wasn't streaming... oh well. pics/vids + detailed play by play breakdown of item choices and positioning decisions OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. yeah | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On January 12 2012 03:08 rwrzr wrote: pics/vids + detailed play by play breakdown of item choices and positioning decisions OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. yeah I'll just get LoL replay so that I can deal with this issue in the future. here's my recolection of the game: boots + 3 pots opening, get FBed by crits when my passive is down and non-crits while my passive is up + earlier level 2 due to him taking small gols + ignite + exhaust being gay as balls  . get zoned pretty badly (not really off of XP, mostly just CS) while spaming consumables and getting stuck on 1 dblade until my nocturne hits level 6 when we manage to set up a gank that trades noct for trynd. After we get that kill, I'm down 30 cs and I'm 1/1 to Trynd's 2/1. After pushing my wave, I back and buy consumables, my 2nd dblade and ninja tabi (I've been neglecting ninja tabi on Pantheon too much, will write more about them later).at this point, my wave is pushed to his tower and I see 2 1/2 HP opponents at bot lane, so I head bot and ult behind their soraka + cait, which nets me 2 kills and 2 assists for graves + ali, then we take bot tower, followed by dragon. In the meantime, Trynd takes first top tower and 1/2 of the inner top tower while getting significantly further up in CS on me. I back for brutalizer and then go top to stop the push. At this point, Fizz + noct go to our blue and facecheck into trynd + GP for a kill on nocturne before I can even respond. At this point, we're down by a decent margin. We're tired on towers, up 1 dragon, down 8/12 in terms of kills and accross the board down in CS by a fair bit. From here I have less specific recolections of the gameflow, but my item build was BT -> LW -> Aegis -> GA -> Ghostblade and my general teamfighting strategy was to stay off to the side of graves and position my HSS as such: & ........ KEY >@ ..... & = Bad guys (GP, Annie, Tynd) * = Good guy (Graves) * ......... @ = #1 pro (Pant, so stronk and manly) > = HSS AoE This essentially forced their divers to either walk through my HSS channels or veer off to the side to go for me, where graves could get potshots for free while staying sufficiently far from their AoE effects. For midgame fights, they chose to ignore me and go for graves. This led to me going from 3/1/0 -> 11/2/7 over the course of midgame fights as I would routinely get 3+ multi-target HSS channels off per fight. As they caught on to the fact that I was dealing problematic amounts of damage, they chose to start focusing me (note: this is roughly when I decided to work on my GA), which effectively pulled them off of Graves, at which point he never died again and even though they were able to drop me each fight, it came at the cost of bunching up for Graves' AoE. End score: 11/7/15 (roughly, +/- 1 on each of those stats, can't remember perfectly), 42 minute win. It's the last game on my account, so you could get final build and score from my match history. Pantheon #1 gold earned, #1 takedowns in a 40 minute game where he got crushed in lane. Pantheon useless after 20-25 minutes, huehuehue. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On January 12 2012 16:16 Perplex wrote: so if the other team first picks pantheon.. whats a good response to that? Can udyr win? As Smash already said, GP maxing W and starting cloth+5 (+armor quints) makes laning vs panth a breeze. However, your team will most likely rage at you since Panth hardcounters GP. Or so I heard. I'm in the process of grinding my way back from 1300 (don't ask, lol.) and around 1500 people seem to assume that Panth counters GP and Udyr counters Panth. Also Swain and Ryze get picked as "hardcounters" against mah panth. Don't ask. Easy wins at dat elo cause people can't deal with snowballs at all. Edit: Actually the REAL counterpick to panth is imo the jungle. When I want to FP panth I make sure Rammus/Shaco/Lee and maybe even Maokai get banned. In case a strong jungle pick gets through and you somehow ended up with Panth top anyway, asking your support for a lvl 1 ward top is fucking huge. | ||
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Eishi_Ki
Korea (South)1667 Posts
On January 12 2012 16:16 Perplex wrote: so if the other team first picks pantheon.. whats a good response to that? Can udyr win? Malphite or Cho | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On January 12 2012 16:16 Perplex wrote: so if the other team first picks pantheon.. whats a good response to that? Can udyr win? Udyr can do quite well, but the first few levels are rocky; same with Yorick. If you want a hard counter, Malphite and Cho stacking armor hard counters Pantheon. Sion is also a really strong matchup against Pantheon. GP and Riven can do okay against Panth with cloth+5pot and armor runes if they max heal and shield respectively. The strongest counter to Panth is a good jungler that camps his lane. If Panth can't fuck the other guy over, a lot of his potential is wasted. | ||
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
WHY THIS CHAMP TOO FUN | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
Any reason why malphite works? | ||
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