EPTie, atmas, bc with randuins and bulwark sounds... sexy
[Champion] Garen - Page 16
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JeosAdn
Costa Rica432 Posts
ie, atmas, bc with randuins and bulwark sounds... sexy | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On February 03 2013 12:11 JeosAdn wrote: Does the base damage of garen's e crit? because getting an atmas sounds really cool. ie, atmas, bc with randuins and bulwark sounds... sexy Only the bonus damage can crit and building so you live long enough to get another QE off after you 1shot the first squishy you hit anyways will pretty much always be more damage at less gold investment. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
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Slayer91
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
On February 14 2013 05:25 Slayer91 wrote: armpen Is this because of his high base damage and low amount of auto attacks during his combo? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
its also 10x easier to buy ad if it ends up being more cost effective at any point | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
So every other top laner/jungler combo I have no problem with. I just patiently farm at level 1, maybe do a little autoQ harass but i don't want to push too hard. I generally ask my jungler to do a route that will put him top at level 3 or 4 so he is set up for the inevitable counter gank. K my different "strategies." Starting Items: Boots + 4 almost always, the MS is what you need to stay on top of your opponent if they are melee and what you need to get in range if they are ranged. Boots help you get out of ganks the best with your Q getting rid of the slow and the high MS you have + flash. Dorans Shield: I think this can be good sometimes run with defensive runes but I haven't experimented with it much aside from vs Yorick as 2nd item after boots +4 and I run 19-11-1 masteries so I dont get the block 3 damage. Cloth + 5: Garen is a boss why do you need armor? (x)potions+ wards start: vs xin jungling, sometimes vs Lee if I am nervous or want to go super balls deep etc. Only vs scary junglers. 1st item: 99% of the time I go brutalizer. Occasionally I will get a Giants belt. vs Yorick and Jayce I get a dshield then brutalizer, same with vs Kayle but she isn't played top as much and gets shit on by Garen anyway. 2nd item: Warmogs/Tabi. Really the only 2 options, if I need extra MS and armor/auto blocking helps in my lane I'll get Tabi, if I am fine I just go straight Warmogs and get boots 2 later. Warmogs + a well timed W is so much damage soak and with Brutalizer you do nuts damage anyway. QEigniteR can 1 shot squishies still. 3rd item: Tabi/Sunfire/Last Whisper/Spirit Visage: Get boots if I didnt, usually I follow with a Sunfire, I don't know why. The item isn't that great but it looks fucking sweet! But for real the armor, health and extra damage however minimal is helpful, generally good as AD's are starting to ramp up and the armor + tabi helps you stay alive. If the AP is fed I sometimes get Visage but generally It's not necessary as W + your health buffer keeps you alive through the burst. If I am super fed I get Last Whisper to completely end the game 4th item: Last Whisper/Spirit Visage: AP a threat? Visage. AP not a threat? Sometimes Visage anyway as the health bonus and cdr are still great stats. However Last Whisper is a good item here as well. Last Item: Last Whisper and Black Cleaver. Gives you a nice boost in damage and you should be raid boss status already. I guess you could get Infinity Edge and Last Whisper instead but I never have. I don't know how good IE really is on Garen but Cleaver is underwhelming as it takes him forever to get 5 stacks, it just helps you clean up late fights vs other tanks. Ending build: Tabi/Warmogs/Brutalizer/Sunfire/Spirit Visage/Last Whisper This is my thought process/build to Garen. Welcome any thoughts and if you want my rune pages my name is Bladeorade just look up my AD rune pages I use all the varieties. | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Still seems like a good pick to me, as it builds out of vamp scepter ^_^ Basic build went cloth5 - tabi - vamp scepter - bilge - Botrk (?) - mogs - and then it ended. I probably would have thrown on something like GA and cleaver after, and i'd drop cleaver for a tanky item if i wasnt crushing the enemy team  Whats a good MRes item for garen? ^ why would you build spirit visage on anyone without innate lifesteal like warwick though? It kinda feels wasted imo. But i guess with the BOTRK the visage would go quite well in this build | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On February 14 2013 18:47 Capped wrote: So i just tried building Botrk (is that the acronym? XD) on garen as 2nd item (after boots2) and i completely owned a game vs a jayce top..given that him and his team were prolly rly bad though. Still seems like a good pick to me, as it builds out of vamp scepter ^_^ Basic build went cloth5 - tabi - vamp scepter - bilge - Botrk (?) - mogs - and then it ended. I probably would have thrown on something like GA and cleaver after, and i'd drop cleaver for a tanky item if i wasnt crushing the enemy team Whats a good MRes item for garen? ^ why would you build spirit visage on anyone without innate lifesteal like warwick though? It kinda feels wasted imo. But i guess with the BOTRK the visage would go quite well in this build Well if your that far ahead most anything will work. But BOTRK doesn't really work well on garen do to him not being much of an auto attacker. And a good mr on garen is Maw | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
On February 14 2013 19:27 Slayer91 wrote: bulwark better than maw usually Is Visage not always better than bulwark? What are you common builds? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
need mr? bulwark need armour? randuins/SOMETIMES thornmail otherwise warmogs and or sunfire +LW+brutalizer sometimes and Black cleaver someimtes. | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
On February 16 2013 07:59 Slayer91 wrote: why would I get visage? Garen with mercs and bulwark has like 160-200ish mr (not sure if thats with team bulwark or not). Bulwark is also a team aura and gives a bunch of armour. Visage regen and cdr isn't that good on garen. I explained earlier why cdr garen isnt amazing. (but not terrible either, spirit visage buff makes it somewhat better on him) need mr? bulwark need armour? randuins/SOMETIMES thornmail otherwise warmogs and or sunfire +LW+brutalizer sometimes and Black cleaver someimtes. Hmm well Bruta + Visage being 30% cdr now is pretty strong, I think CDR is fairly important on Garen and if achievable through items that benefit him in other ways should be gotten. Like Bruta obviously makes his early game strong, Visage combined with Warmogs, the high amount of health you will have late game and his passive is incredibly strong. If you survive a fight and go to clear a wave you will be full health soon making him a very strong pusher. And the extra health is always good. I'll have to try Bulwark on him in games where the jungler isnt building it but I dont find that to be very often and I really like spirit visage. I also very rarely build merc treads on Garen. I don't find the extra MR necessary ever and the CC being blown on you early in fights can be negated by a properly timed W, combined with CDR your second W comes up even sooner. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
30% CDR isn't the same DPS increase as 30% CDR on other champs for a few reasons -W is a defensive steriod but it comes in useful to have it up earlier sometimes (in long ass fights) so we'll call it even -Q, doesn't start CD until you hit it I believe meaning you don't get the full benefit of its mobility the only time its good for dps/silence uptime is when you're constantly on a target -E doesn't start CD until after spinning so cdr loses a lot of its cost effectiveness -You only get 1 R per fight and your R damage is based mostly on their missing hp meaning the more damage you do in the initial combo is critical while no matter how much cdr you have you often cant afford to wait for the next combo. that said, I think cdr is strong enough that there won't be a HUGE difference in effectiveness going a cdr build. | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
On February 16 2013 09:58 Slayer91 wrote: You can make an argument for any item being good. The question is which is better. 30% CDR isn't the same DPS increase as 30% CDR on other champs for a few reasons -W is a defensive steriod but it comes in useful to have it up earlier sometimes (in long ass fights) so we'll call it even -Q, doesn't start CD until you hit it I believe meaning you don't get the full benefit of its mobility the only time its good for dps/silence uptime is when you're constantly on a target -E doesn't start CD until after spinning so cdr loses a lot of its cost effectiveness -You only get 1 R per fight and your R damage is based mostly on their missing hp meaning the more damage you do in the initial combo is critical while no matter how much cdr you have you often cant afford to wait for the next combo. that said, I think cdr is strong enough that there won't be a HUGE difference in effectiveness going a cdr build. Well the difference in our builds is Visage vs Bulwark so I think perhaps if you aren't tanky enough Bulwark is best, but for damage Visage is better considering the 20% cdr is fairly large. I don't find myself craving more armor or health and usually the aura is coming from someone else so I don't feel the necessity. To each their own in this regards I think. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13828 Posts
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13828 Posts
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
On February 16 2013 10:50 Sermokala wrote: But what would you do to mitigate him zoneing you from level 1-9 by q pokeing your passive down and your health down with an auto attack afterwords? Umm why would he zone me? If he is using Q to poke and then auto instead of EQ combo then just auto Q E him? | ||
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