EPT[Champion] Garen - Page 18
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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Zariel
Australia1305 Posts
The power in Courage is still the 30% damage and CC reduction. | ||
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TigerKarl
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confusedcrib
United States1307 Posts
On March 20 2013 19:29 TigerKarl wrote: most boring champion i've ever played. This is what I thought at first, but a lot of his versatility comes in the form of the match up you're in. Trying to play Garen against Teemo, Renekton, and Rumble for example is anything but boring. But ya some of your more traditional Nasus, Jax, and Irelia style lanes can be very one dimensional. On a side note and to add to discussion, I usually avoid picking Garen unless the other teams top lane has already been picked, because he is so easily counterpicked. What champs do you guys think Garen has an almost impossible time up top with? | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
On March 22 2013 03:49 confusedcrib wrote: This is what I thought at first, but a lot of his versatility comes in the form of the match up you're in. Trying to play Garen against Teemo, Renekton, and Rumble for example is anything but boring. But ya some of your more traditional Nasus, Jax, and Irelia style lanes can be very one dimensional. On a side note and to add to discussion, I usually avoid picking Garen unless the other teams top lane has already been picked, because he is so easily counterpicked. What champs do you guys think Garen has an almost impossible time up top with? Anyone with good ranged harass is strong against him. If they can also kite him, then it becomes impossible for Garen to win. I've had the hardest time with Teemo and Elise, but Kennen, AD Nidalee, and Rumble are all incredibly difficult as well. Also I have a hard time against Cho'Gath. It's extremely easy for Cho'Gath to land ruptures on you, and once he builds armor you can't kill him and it becomes a farm lane. Cho'Gath is a far better teamfighter than Garen, so overall it's a bad matchup | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
garens biggest laning phase strength is that he can usually farm well against most everything, if you are playing to dominate lanes you are doing it wrong. Garen can win lanes but after repeated nerfs to his early game damage its better to just take opportunities but look for farm i often run regen quints and abuse his passive and w passive its a shame they both got nerfed | ||
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Zariel
Australia1305 Posts
You see, when you trade with Garen, it's still an advantageous trade even if you deal the same damage to each other because your passive lets you regen faster than your opponent. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Plus his ult is true damage Until mid-late game, Vorpal Spikes is going to make his DPS pretty crazy too. I guess given the HP stack meta Cho's tankiness with Feast stacks makes him about as tanky or more so than Garen, and his stupidly big model is kind of an advantage as well. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
plus if you end up clicking on a tank whose damage is front loaded (burst) and not other stuff, that's ok too (i personally build Cho either full tank or support-ish) | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
Theres a reason why hotshot used to get force of nature on cho. Cho has more cc than most every champ, doesn't justify him as a better teamfighter than most or people would pick him more. | ||
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LeeDawg
United States1306 Posts
On March 22 2013 04:05 BlasiuS wrote: Anyone with good ranged harass is strong against him. If they can also kite him, then it becomes impossible for Garen to win. I've had the hardest time with Teemo and Elise, but Kennen, AD Nidalee, and Rumble are all incredibly difficult as well. Also I have a hard time against Cho'Gath. It's extremely easy for Cho'Gath to land ruptures on you, and once he builds armor you can't kill him and it becomes a farm lane. Cho'Gath is a far better teamfighter than Garen, so overall it's a bad matchup teemo, elise, and yorick. other than that, i've never found any unwinnable matchups as garen. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
personally, i like cho a lot more than garen. garen is so popular is because he's faceroll easy. cho still gets picked like 13% which isn't too bad (and higher than nerfed garen who is at like 10%) | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On March 23 2013 04:13 ticklishmusic wrote: thats the point though right? you're a tank, you take damage. no taking damage has no innate purpose you should always try to minimize incoming damage the job of a tank is to threaten enemy squishies//protect yours usually some combination of both people always say "oh well I died but I tanked them" as if its some achievement, and not your team carrying you//sometimes their team having bad focus but most of the time you overextended but got lucky (and when you dont - wtf my team so bad, I tank them all and we still lose!!!!) chogath has more cc so to do a better job as garen you have to use your mobility and burst damage to your advantage to teamfight better than in this example a cho gath doesnt sound faceroll easy to me. often in pro games you see the enemy ad crush the tank line and clean up, most people see this as the ad carry doing a good job and not his tanks doing a better job staying alive while theirs dies, and usually its a combination. AD carries cant do anything without tanks doing their job | ||
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rhs408
United States904 Posts
On March 23 2013 04:28 Bladeorade wrote: Only champion that has truly given me problems is Elise. Her damage starts early and hits hard from a range. Everyone else is manageable. Same here. Are there ANY melee champs that can take on elise in top lane? She would even shit on pre-nerf AP tryn np. Going against Darius can be a very interesting duel though... it's like a constant game of chicken as to who will use an ability first to farm the creep wave - whoever uses first to grab that extra cs opens the door to an uneven trade by the opposing garen/darius, and once you're behind, it becomes extremely difficult to get back to even ground. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
brutalizer/LW trumps both of them and its not even close | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
in teamfights garen just spins around and tries to get damage down. figuring out how to do that is like any other cc-less champ (okay maybe you go FM and you silence with Q but not the point), you try and find a good angle and then E in, use Q if you get slowed or something and dunk the best target. you R if someone's low, W for DR, it feels pretty one dimensional. garen's "peel" is to try and kill the enemy divers before they can kill a squishy. cho gath has to pick a good angle/time to scream to maximize its effectiveness, decide if he wants to Q early or save it for peel or catch, move around to avoid unnecessary dmg and position his E's to hit as many champs as possible, and then decide if he wants to use a R to kill someone low, chunk them at high/mid hp to force them away, etc. dying is also a lot more costly for cho because of stacks, and then he has to restack which means he loses a huge chunk of his damage while doing so. you can boil teamfighting down to avoiding areas of high damage (and trying to help your team avoid those places), and putting damage down in areas where there's a high concentration of enemies to maximize your DPS. chogath has to make a lot more decisions of how to do that than garen, so i consider him more difficult and more fun. however, playing cho gath also seems to have potentially higher returns. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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