[Champion] Garen - Page 20

On July 04 2014 20:31 Slayer91 wrote:
you're far overrating this invincibility thing. Having 250 more hp (max 500) from the 25% bonus thing from spirit of ancient golem is just going to be like a few more autos from an adc and what can you really get done with that extra few seconds on garen? You already do nothing with spells on cd. You're probably going to be underfarmed and can't gank for shit anyway. Elder lizard would make a lot more sense on him.

On July 08 2014 00:31 Scip wrote:
If you have a video recording thing can you show me how to get to lvl4 as Garen without backing because I have no idea how you'd go about doing that

On July 09 2014 21:59 Slayer91 wrote:
better hope their reflexes suck for flashing themselves

On July 09 2014 03:43 GreggSauce wrote:


as jungle? you need a very hard leash at red and it's not too bad, i almost never do full clears though. my garen game I played I went red, ganked mid, blue, wolves, ganked, wraiths, backed I think.

On July 13 2014 10:42 Scip wrote:
Why would you think of Garen as someone who (used to have during his prime) an offensive jump, a significant stun and slow jungle when Garen can't claim to have any of those things?

The best comparison to Garen is Shyvana, except that instead of having pretty decent jungle (after first clear) Garen has embarrassingly awful jungle and scales way worse into the lategame out of the jungle.

On July 12 2014 16:17 padfoota wrote:


Personal route

Open red, charge to their red, ward their red and wait at the brush closest to the top inner tower. If their jungler checks that brush run down HUGGING the wall - itll kill the vision. Then just do the level 2 garen cheese accordingly..best is to wait for lizard to be low enough so when you drop the silence on the jungler he either backs off and gives up the red or he tries to contest and he dies. Bonus points for getting both obviously. Will most likely result in kill unless elise since she doesnt tank the lizard herself so shes gonna be max HP.

Garen is NOT a farmer. Think of him as a Pantheon jungle who maxed Q first - you want to gank and you want to gank hard. Abuse your early game damage. If lanes arent that good for ganking, camp their jungler. Two points in E is enough for clearing small camps.

Garen is so uncommon that people dont really know how to properly deal with him and how much damage he can deal with items xyz...especially true vs mid/bot/jungler mains since they really, really dont play vs garen that much

That Q crit from 1% rune on squishies tho

Personally I dont bother getting W pre 6 since I wont have any tank items and Id rather get that two points into E and 3 points into Q for absolute terror..Maybe someone can correct me on that

On July 14 2014 15:29 sob3k wrote:


Q doesn't crit...

I would also not max Q over E.

1 point in Q gets you:
+25 damage
+.75 speed duration
+.25 silence duration

1 point in E gets you:
+25 damage per second (+75 total damage)
+10% AD scaling (+30% total AD scaling damage)
-1sec cd

So from a damage perspective you are getting far far more out of E and it also assists in clearspeed.

On July 15 2014 02:11 padfoota wrote:


Both his Q and his E crits - thats why IE is so amazing on him
I get two points into E for clear speed but I prioritize ganking - Q gives better chase/map movement, longer CC, and higher burst. If I wanted to slowly grind people down while ganking I wouldnt be picking garen. I even rush those 60ms boots to abuse his Q ms buff even more, although Ive been feeling a faster Lizard elders will probably be much better for his early game.
Garen's jungle is horrendous regardless of any level of E if hes popping 1-2 pots per camp before elder lizard, so I feel its better to just clear less camps and gank/tax more, utilizing his passive while roaming to save on pots, ignoring the golems and wraiths if smite on CD so top/bot can farm those too.
Yes he will be fucked if his early game plays out bad. Thats why I said hes a cheese jungler. He has to abuse timings, level advantage windows and map information to get ahead so hes nowhere close to be an "easy" jungler. Missing those windows as an early game bully makes garen even worse than just a "bad jungler"..especially when hes a "terrible jungler" if blue start.

I recognize that my previous ending statement was flawed - I was asking tips on getting W early or not.

On July 15 2014 06:09 sob3k wrote:


No, his Q doesn't crit. It's a autoattack modifier. The autoattack portion of it can crit like any auto. The bonus damage and bonus AD ratio does not crit. It's the same as every other next auto modifier in the game (Jax W, Vayne Q etc). The only reason anyone mentions Garen Q being able to crit is that at one point the skill was bugged to not have any portion crit, which was then fixed.

Q max does give barely increased mobility and an inconsequential .25s silence, but certainly not higher burst. If you aren't able to spin on a laner for at least two tics you basically contributed nothing to the gank anyway, and if you are able to then level 2 E does over double the damage of level 2 Q.

If you level E Garen's clear speed is not by any measure horrendous after 2+ levels. Its actually quite fast due to how much damage E gets on each level.

I wouldn't get W early, your ganks are your focus and you need more damage for then more than any survivability.