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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-16 02:07:55
February 16 2013 02:07 GMT
#321
I laned against jarvan, I beat him pretty hard.

You don't let him ever get an auto hit off without at least getting a q off in return, and probably Q+E. You shouldn't get hit my many q's and if you do you just sit at tower and heal up and lose a few cs. Someone in general forum said jarvan shits on garen but apparently he's wrong and just better at jarvan than his opponents garen gg.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13828 Posts
February 16 2013 02:37 GMT
#322
I think I was that guy. My huberious cost me a couple matches before I got my magic back in the matchup. I see him so much on na I thought I'd get more peoples ideas on what would counter me. I do have to bring 2 mana pots to lane every time I go back but so far my ability to hit my q's have decided how hard I win the lane.

But like I said I don't understand the matchup sometimes I just get wrecked and I don't know why sometimes its a free lane and I don't know why.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
February 16 2013 03:06 GMT
#323
I dunno J4 uses mana and Garen doesn't and Garen has free sustain and J4 doesn't so even in a "farming" lane I couldn't see J4 harassing Garen out of lane nevermind landing any kills. But I think Garen is stronger when fighting straight up with QE
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
February 16 2013 05:12 GMT
#324
Not gonna lie guys, I think Garen is really, really strong. I'm not sure whether or not he needs nerfs yet (as always I'd rather everyone else get buffed). I'll have to wait until i start playing good opponents.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
rhs408
Profile Joined January 2011
United States904 Posts
February 16 2013 05:34 GMT
#325
Garen not gonna get nerfed until he starts getting abused in pro tourney games, and he is still not used in ANY tourney games (which I still find hard to imagine), so it will be a looong time.
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
February 16 2013 05:37 GMT
#326
What changes made him strong/popular? I don't remember seeing any buffs in s3 for him.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
February 16 2013 05:40 GMT
#327
On February 16 2013 14:34 rhs408 wrote:
Garen not gonna get nerfed until he starts getting abused in pro tourney games, and he is still not used in ANY tourney games (which I still find hard to imagine), so it will be a looong time.

As much as I'd like this to be true, it is not. Riot frequently nerfs people who are popular in soloq, even if they were never played in tournaments.
Fresh examples are Riven and Shaco.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
rhs408
Profile Joined January 2011
United States904 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-16 11:30:36
February 16 2013 10:50 GMT
#328
Yea, looks like I spoke too soon lol... they are nerfing his W's passive. smh

http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/23204-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-2-16-2013
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
February 16 2013 11:36 GMT
#329
Nooooo not Garen
LOLItsRyann
Profile Joined April 2011
England551 Posts
February 16 2013 13:01 GMT
#330
About time. So fucking broken in lane. Adding a mana bar would make him fine.
EG<3
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
February 16 2013 13:01 GMT
#331
Are they seriously going to nerf him? He sees ZERO play at competitive level....
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
February 16 2013 13:04 GMT
#332
On February 16 2013 22:01 LOLItsRyann wrote:
About time. So fucking broken in lane. Adding a mana bar would make him fine.


How is he broken lol? He has a lot more counterpicks than most champs and his teamfighting is horrible.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-16 15:05:27
February 16 2013 13:41 GMT
#333
Garens really strong and the nerf seems okay. I'm just interested is whether he needs that strength to make up for his lack of gap closer. Probably not.

assuming runes and masteries still count for something, you're losing 14.5 armour and 10.5 magic resist which is 500 gold loss of stats at level 18, significant but hopefully not game breaking. You lost about 8.5 of each by level 9 though which is about 350 gold by level 9 which is slightly more significant.
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
February 16 2013 20:03 GMT
#334
Hmm... I disagree he needs a nerf. His laning is strong yes but there are many champions that can go even with him and just farm. Garen is just a raid boss in team fights his team fighting isn't spectactular so I'm not sure why they are nerfing his armor/mr. I don't think this will effect him too much too be honest but it's still rather annoying
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10107 Posts
February 16 2013 22:04 GMT
#335
damn that sucks. so basically ur forced to build armor/mr on garen now to actually use his W as a good ability. smh.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 20 2013 14:42 GMT
#336
I honestly think Garen is really fucking strong right now. With just Arpen runes and maybe a LW or BC on top of pure tank, he manages to be a damage threat as well as one of the straight up tankiest champs in the game thanks to free resists and DR. I don't even feel like he can be kited all that easy anymore, unless you're running like a 100% CC team.

Shit's p good.
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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 16:49:34
February 20 2013 16:40 GMT
#337
I haven't lost to a Garen yet in lane when starting cloth+5 and being a bit passive but trying to poke him without getting caught by silence at a bad time, then going allin while he is spinning and I am ready. Seems like he's easy to gank too, if he blows his silence and doesn't have the cleanse effect to use.

Could be bad Garens though (Winning lane with: Shen, Irelia, Riven, Renekton)
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 17:17:22
February 20 2013 17:16 GMT
#338
bad garens
the only one in there that might be good against garen is shen and he's banned a lot and sucks later against warmogs teams so baylife
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
February 20 2013 18:04 GMT
#339
I beat him with Jax, but the margin for error from level 1-8 is about zero.
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-23 16:12:56
February 23 2013 16:12 GMT
#340
Alright so I am convinced Garen is too strong. His early laning is really strong and the only people that give me trouble only give trouble till 6 and are mostly just annoyances. Elise, Nidalee, Jayce etc. Ranged champions with good harass. Vlad is NOT included because his early harass blows and you can just zone him then kill him at will, also doesn't include AP Kennen though I have not faced an AD Kennen.

So his early laning does redonk damage (obviously.) The catch being if you initiate with Q your escape and slow cancellation is gone. However he is pretty tanky in general so a lot of times you can either run away anyway or take 1 for 1. Especially at level 6.

His midgame which I'll say is Brutalizer, boots 2 and warmogs, is ridiculous. Just Brutalizer increases his damage so much and with Warmogs and good timing of W you are nigh unkillable. You will 1 shot squishies so I like to flank team as opposed to charging up the middle and just flash QEW making them all focus you is great for engaging and if you are lucky you can get a kill. He is a great midgame oracles holder, which then ties into the flanking. No ward coverage for enemy team makes it easier.

mid-late game which I'll consider Bruta, boots 2, Warmogs, Sunfire + kindlegem/negatron perhaps a finished Visage. You are just unkillable and your damage isn't terrible yet, but its definitely falling off. This is where I think Garen is the weakest damage wise as you haven't built your 2nd damage item, but definitely his strongest tank wise. You just should not die and you should still be a threat to squishies.

Late game: Ghostblade or Cleaver: I have been leaning towards Ghostblade recently, Cleaver really is shit on Garen and after using it a lot early, I feel Ghostblade is just better for what Garen wants to do, and thats get on squishies dicks. Last item: Las Whisper. Synergizes well with Cleaver AND Ghostblade, allows you to kill tanks, and just increases your damage a shit ton.

Consider selling: Sunfire for Randuins. At this point Randuins is likely the better option, the active lets you stick on them better, the passive hurts their ADC who should be nearing 6 items and it will keep you alive much longer. Your only threat is the ADC and this is the best item vs them.


/rant on Garen


this is after running Garen on my smurf to gold for fun, started playing him on my main and have gone 14-6 with 8.3-4.2-5.9 averages
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