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On February 13 2013 05:14 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 04:10 Ryuu314 wrote:
Honestly Corki's just in a very bad spot right now. His mana costs are just way too high and Phage nerf hurts his ramp-up to Triforce.
I'd probably go BT->Shiv or IE->PD or even a BC rush to take advantage of his insane armor shred. I'm not sure TF rush is all that good anymore. I dunno why people are so big on Trinity rush anyways. Even before Phage nerfs most people were going BF Sword -> Phage -> BT and then Trinity. You need some actual damage before you build Trinity. I think that Corki's pretty solid at the moment to be honest. You're really support dependent but a Corki lane with Blitz/Leona/Taric/Alistar can easily net a kill at level 3-5 if your support lands a single stun. If they lower his mana costs they're gonna have to increase his CD on Q or else lower the damage on his spells as he still bursts really hard. His kit has literally everything you would want on an AD carry except for an AS steroid. In fact, I'm gonna go ahead and say that of all the AD carries in the game Corki has the single best ADC kit. True damage/attack steroid, escape, burst spell which doubles as brush reveal, poke spell, armor shred. Oh, and to top it off he has a crisp AA animation.
TF Rush was somewhat popular/good because it let you skimp on DBlades in S2. Now everyone skimps on DBlades, so waiting for BF sword after 1+Vamp is not a big deal.
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I'm personally against grabbing a phage first out of all the possible TF items on corki. The health got nerfed, the price got increased and all you get now is 2 damage over what it used to give you. BT => zeal => phage/sheen (depending on if you NEED the health or not) => TF is much better IMO since both zeal and sheen give you more damage than the phage, zeal gives you chase power from movement speed and sheen gives you a bit of burst.
As far as IE over BT, BT is technically 800(vamp)+800(cost) = 1600 gold cheaper since you're most likely going to buy the vamp sceptre when you go IE, meaning you generally have a zeal+BT when the other person has just finished their IE. It's amazing if you can get IE +TF/PD but it's so hard to get that with how strong bruisers are around the time you get your IE.
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On February 13 2013 09:50 Lmui wrote:
I'm personally against grabbing a phage first out of all the possible TF items on corki. The health got nerfed, the price got increased and all you get now is 2 damage over what it used to give you. BT => zeal => phage/sheen (depending on if you NEED the health or not) => TF is much better IMO since both zeal and sheen give you more damage than the phage, zeal gives you chase power from movement speed and sheen gives you a bit of burst.
As far as IE over BT, BT is technically 800(vamp)+800(cost) = 1600 gold cheaper since you're most likely going to buy the vamp sceptre when you go IE, meaning you generally have a zeal+BT when the other person has just finished their IE. It's amazing if you can get IE +TF/PD but it's so hard to get that with how strong bruisers are around the time you get your IE.
Well I was talking about the S2 TF popularity, but with regard to now, I don't like TF all that much on Corki because it is less damage than PD/SS and by the time you get it as a second item its not as great. The good thing about TF is it provides you with 3 great earlygame buildpaths (Zeal/Phage/Sheen) that provide you with a powerspike without the need to invest in dead end earlygame items.
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So I'm getting back into ranked, and since Corki was my main adc S1/S2, I tested out some items to see what's new in S3.
-BotRK Corki (Borki?) does not increase the true damage from his passive, even though the UI does not show the proc as a separate source of physical damage from the autoattack.
-Upon seeing this I tested sheen/etc., and found that they do not increase the true damage either. I know that the wiki used to say it did (it no longer does), so perhaps the passive benefiting from procs was removed at the same time as benefiting from crits.
-Since I was looking at the wiki, I noticed that Corki and Kog'maw are the only ADCs who have less than +3.0% AS/level. In fact, Corki has the lowest AS/level (+2.3%) out of all champions that build AD, unless you count Sion and Blitz (who both have AS abilities).
There is no happy ending -- I bought Ezreal 
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I wanna say that Corki is probably the only champion in the game to have his base stats, all four spells, and his passive get nerfed. I wouldn't be surprised if there's one or two other champions who also got hit similarly for being too bad ass (such as Orianna). I think that Corki is still good, but he's one of my favorite champions so maybe I'm just refusing to see the truth.
If he's really underpowered though I think Riot should consider re-working his kit to make it easier to balance. His kit just gives him so much that I think he's probably the single hardest ADC for them to balance as a few buffs here and there would easily make him the best carry in the game imo. Maybe all he needs is his mana costs reduced although I'd contend that doing that would cause his laning to be stupidly strong.
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All right so with the recent emergence of the "blue-ezreal" build, I've decided to take a look at Corki and see if a similar idea would work with him.
Of course items like IBG and Muramana are not really useful for Corki, so I just replaced them with good old Trinity, which has been buffed a bit in price. My current build is this: Elder Lizard, Zerks, Trinity, LW, BoTRK and either a dmg item or defense item). I REALLY like the addition of Elder Lizard into the build, as it gives him CDR and burn to everything he does. Any thoughts?
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I saw wildturtle doing the lizard build earlier this week, going rejuv bead+all mana/health pots -> longswords -> lizard elder. I didn't watch much longer than that but I corki scales best off of AD+CDR for his passive and rocket spam which lizardstone does really well.
Where ezreal goes for kiting though, corki probably just wants it for straight out damage due to how much AoE damage corki actually deals through QER. I'm a little mixed about a botrk over a BT though since corki has a pretty significant AD steroid in his passive and to a lesser extent his ultimate. There's a 75AD difference from botrk, Due to his low base AS, he also doesn't scale as well off of AS as most other AD carries, instead relying on his skills to deal a lot of damage.
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lizard corki is amazing, that much is true. all the stats (even the burn) make sense on him
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Would be interesting to see in action, I've actually changed my mind about how Corki is in S3 and I think he might be a strong pick in some situations
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go with soraka, negating all mana issues. use 9 points in defense since mana regen in util isn't needed. bonus points for high magic damage opponent lineup
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On May 08 2013 18:54 Lmui wrote:
I saw wildturtle doing the lizard build earlier this week, going rejuv bead+all mana/health pots -> longswords -> lizard elder. I didn't watch much longer than that but I corki scales best off of AD+CDR for his passive and rocket spam which lizardstone does really well.
Where ezreal goes for kiting though, corki probably just wants it for straight out damage due to how much AoE damage corki actually deals through QER. I'm a little mixed about a botrk over a BT though since corki has a pretty significant AD steroid in his passive and to a lesser extent his ultimate. There's a 75AD difference from botrk, Due to his low base AS, he also doesn't scale as well off of AS as most other AD carries, instead relying on his skills to deal a lot of damage.
Plat player and climbing here.
I played quite a bit of Corki in the past and recently picked him up again after seeing how much success the blue ezreal build had.
The truth is that Spirit of the Elder Lizard is a really broken item and works on a lot of champions.
What makes it so good with Corki is that you can proc the passive an insane amount of times with your spells and it has great synergy with his passive true damage on auto attacks.
The mana regen it provides you with seems to help a lot with the so called "mana problems" people seem to associate with Corki. With simple mana management (not wasting mana etc...) and the mana reg this item provides you won't have any problems.
The item is also insanely cheap (2000g) for what it gives you.
My current build for Corki:
Long sword 2pots / Dorans Blade -> Spirit of Elder Lizard -> AS boots (or whatever fits the situation) -> Tri Force -> BT -> Last Whisper
I usually go tri-force after Elder Lizard but sometimes I feel like I would go BT.
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Spirit of the Lizard Elder rush definitely is the way to go now. The AoE damage with a well placed Gatling Gun is just hilarious, even lategame. If you manage to pull off the full four seconds on 3-4 people the enemy just melts.
Most entertaining thing is when you get fed early. Lizard Elder -> Black Cleaver just rapes. Enemy Nasus looks so stupid when he withers you and he still goes down. So much fun and to be honest, I'm only waiting for some Korean team to pick Corki up and do well with him. His popularity will explode I bet.
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Dai's mini-guide to AP corki mid and abusing the LOL of it.
Runes - flat pen quints, flat pen reds/hybrid pen reds (for stronger pre-6) hp per level yellows and magic pen blues.
Masteries - 21/0/9 for stronger mid-game with blue buff, or 23/0/7 (3.5 arp) for stronger pre 6.
Build: flask+3 start -> sorcs/challice (depending on kill potential in lane) -> sorcs + athenes -> haunting guise -> another 10% cdr book -> liandries -> voidstaff or rylais depending on if you need the slow/hp -> the other one. Final item is morellos for perma 40% cdr.
Skill order: QWQEQ, R>Q>W>E
Playstyle. Save up 7 rockets. Find a squishy target. Kill them. Abuse the 8 second W cooldown to go in for a q and then back out to missile range. Spam missles on whoever you want since they chunk anything.
Basically you can just sit in back and spam r and use q for extra damage on people that dive your team.
Weakest part of this is pre 6, gets way way stronger at 6/11/16, so don't miss out on exp if you can help it.
In lane pre 6 just try to farm and don't die.
Finally, go have fun abusing this and getting freelo, first game I played of it was vs a pretty bad team to play it vs (xerath+malphite+sej+blitz) and I still facerolled to a quadra and a 1v3 triple. 7 r's and 2 q's in 5 seconds is stupidly broken.
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i think i started 6-0 trying out mpen corki after seeing someone mention it in the gd thread. is it really necessary to invest more into ap/mpen after athene's/guise/sorc boots though?
at that point in your build, IBG seems to slot in fairly well with 10% cdr and armor next to athene's 20% cdr and mr.
with how much corki has always loved sheen procs and the slow being better than rylai's on a champ with only aoe spells i can't think of many reasons not to build it, even the 30ap on it sorta fits.
and obviously there's always triforce.
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Void Staff is pretty important since the ratios are shit and you are pretty much banking on base damage, 90% of the build is Rocket damage, you don't want to be in range to auto anyway, so going hybrid over committing to the Rocket damage isn't worth.
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On August 25 2013 22:02 Slusher wrote:
Void Staff is pretty important since the ratios are shit and you are pretty much banking on base damage, 90% of the build is Rocket damage, you don't want to be in range to auto anyway, so going hybrid over committing to the Rocket damage isn't worth.
Has anyone tried hybrid Corki? Hybrid as in the sense you "just" get Guise+Sorcs for the magic damage and use Hybrid quints and reds.
You still get plenty of MPen that way, and should have better scaling into lategame I think.
EDIT: Just won a game vs a Kog/Sona lane with Nami support. Started 2x Dorans into Sorcs and got Guise after finishing TF. Botlane was a glorious slaughter. Such a strong early game, worked out ok later on with very high damage abilities and alright autos.
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not worth it
people still rage at ap corki in ranked
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On September 03 2013 02:27 Complete wrote:not worth it people still rage at ap corki in ranked
I dunno man. The hybrid runes and sorcs certainly felt a lot stronger in lane than the standard AD runes + berserkers. I think Guise might have been overkill, but the sorcs/runes made my laning really really scary - nearly hitting true damage on abilities is pretty painful.
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if you're adc corki go adc, going AP makes you lose trades early and completely reliant on ult damage (not to mention no athenes/blue for mana), whereas you aren't building any cdr or getting blue for extra rockets. If you're playing AP corki going hybrid is a waste with all the mpen you're getting. athenes/liandry/sorc/void are a must on ap corki.
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It is not going AP, it is just hybrid runes/quints and potentially sorcs instead of berserkers.
Just did some fast calculations, and your early trades actually look to be stronger with hybrid runes than with full AD, despite berserkers -- if you can land a bomb. Don't forget hybrid runes give APen too.
Assuming 2x Dorans+Berserkers vs 2x Dorans+Sorcerers and lvl 5 (after 6 sorcs should easily be superior), and armor runes/masteries + flat MR blues on enemy:
Berserkers:
One-hit: ~75 + (10 true), 82 total
DPS: ~ 76, (66 no 'zerkers)
Bomb: ~130
Sorceress:
One-hit: ~71 + (9 true), 79 total
DPS: ~62 (71 with 'zerkers)
Bomb: ~160
No sorcs: ~140
If you do the 2 LS/1 AD quint setup the damage on attacks are basically the same as with hybrid. Considering how APen scales better than AD into later stages, I wouldn't brush off the hybrid setup as just "not worth".
EDIT: Better math and grammaaahz.
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