EPT[Champion] Rumble - Page 2
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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Lanzoma
Mexico813 Posts
Most likely, top will go 21/9/0, which means that they'll have more damage and more hp than before. In comparison, going 21/9/0 yourself is not as effective (you lack sustain, not damage), and 9/21/0 is solid, but nothing to write home about for the first few levels. Overall, it's probably worth it to be less aggressive early and wait for higher levels of Q to start actively trading. As far as skewed matchups go, you destroy anybody that doesn't have a way to respond to your double E plus Q harass; for example, Nasus can only use wither to stop you, and does so at the cost of a fairly long cd and hefty mana cost. On the other hand, anybody who can stop you cold before you get to them will manhandle you; Swain, Yorick, a good Kennen, etc. | ||
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Yttrasil
Sweden651 Posts
However to put it in perspective, I cannot play any other chars at all basically and my mid-late game is seriously seriously lacking as I don't have that many total games in my baggage, only many many Rumble games early game. 21/9/0 should be the way to go now always with Rumble and Yorick is actually quite an easy matchup if you are good enough with Rumble. | ||
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
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NoobieOne
United States1183 Posts
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Bigfoot_Hunter
United States11 Posts
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
New game against Irelia, I'll see how I do. | ||
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Yttrasil
Sweden651 Posts
Kennen is difficult to play against and even as well, morgana meh u cannot engage her really since you'll die in the burst from lvl 6 or take too much dmg even before. The rest is there for u to read earlier, still pretty accurate... Edit: AP nidalee you win vs quite easily, AD you only have a chance vs lvl 3-5, after that you lose so badly it's not even funny most of the time. Sure you can go even or maybe even win if you're careful as fuck but if the opponent is competent, good luck. Yorick you still have a small small edge against if you know what you're doing, it's difficult but manageble and basically a skill matchup. | ||
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bmn
886 Posts
Holy hell, I got owned hard. As in 0/7 hard. The first kill was me being stupid and tower diving without ignite. After that, Rumble denied me experience by zoning, and forcing trades whenever I got within siphon range. Is that really how bad Rumble beats Morde (given a first kill -- he immediately bought mres), or was there something I could do about it? Since rumble always positioned himself on my side, I couldn't get my shield high before any trade, and he didn't push the lane hard so I couldn't farm under tower. I didn't realize how annoying Rumble is to beat until I played against him myself. (I usually do very well playing as him) | ||
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Yttrasil
Sweden651 Posts
Anyhow, I'm crawling my way upward and still playing him as much as before, don't really have any trouble except one which I've been pondering on. I basically ALWAYS run boots pot, hextech, giants belt, deathcap, into whatever to aim for the mid-late game and also do well top. I never try to adapt to the char I'm playing vs cause I don't want late game to suffer basically... However, there is one matchup I have a hard time getting my head around, Rumble vs ad Nidalee. If you somehow fail to get the kill before lvl 6 you will just get zoned, stomped and manhandeld slowly but surely. Sure you can get some farm and keep up okey but you can basically never win if she doesn't make some huge mistake. So I was wondering if anyone have any idea how to spec vs that matchup, my general idea is basically either to get hextech, ninja tabi, wota into maybe another hextech or something. How does this sound, I'm afraid it won't be enough vs her huge damage output, is there anything else I can try? What should I aim for to be able to stay in lane and what if I actually want to try to kill her somehow? | ||
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kidd
United States2848 Posts
On February 18 2012 15:57 Yttrasil wrote: Yes morde sucks vs rumble, alot! Kind of similar to playing vs cho in a sense... Anyhow, I'm crawling my way upward and still playing him as much as before, don't really have any trouble except one which I've been pondering on. I basically ALWAYS run boots pot, hextech, giants belt, deathcap, into whatever to aim for the mid-late game and also do well top. I never try to adapt to the char I'm playing vs cause I don't want late game to suffer basically... However, there is one matchup I have a hard time getting my head around, Rumble vs ad Nidalee. If you somehow fail to get the kill before lvl 6 you will just get zoned, stomped and manhandeld slowly but surely. Sure you can get some farm and keep up okey but you can basically never win if she doesn't make some huge mistake. So I was wondering if anyone have any idea how to spec vs that matchup, my general idea is basically either to get hextech, ninja tabi, wota into maybe another hextech or something. How does this sound, I'm afraid it won't be enough vs her huge damage output, is there anything else I can try? What should I aim for to be able to stay in lane and what if I actually want to try to kill her somehow? Try prioritizing E and poking a lot with it. There is no reason to go into wota just go revolver then get chain armor/tabi and she shouldn't be able to kill you. About killing her, that's a different story. Also take full advantage of when you do have advantage, she really can't do anything to you at all pre 6. My biggest issue to what you posted is never adapting your build. Top is the least ganked lane so it's almost always just a 1v1 and there's no point in sticking to your build if you're feeding their top (or letting them farm) on the way to late game. | ||
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Gaslo
Finland951 Posts
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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bmn
886 Posts
Early levels Rumble can abuse Morde hard, but you really want to make sure you get into a slightly advantageous situation *first* -- don't start engagements when his shield is full. If you can chip off some of is HP, and keep his shield low without the lane being at his tower, there's pretty much nothing he can do to you. (If he tries to come close to creeps to siphon you, punish him with a double tazer, and he'll have to back off.) | ||
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Yttrasil
Sweden651 Posts
On February 18 2012 17:48 kidd wrote: Try prioritizing E and poking a lot with it. There is no reason to go into wota just go revolver then get chain armor/tabi and she shouldn't be able to kill you. About killing her, that's a different story. Also take full advantage of when you do have advantage, she really can't do anything to you at all pre 6. My biggest issue to what you posted is never adapting your build. Top is the least ganked lane so it's almost always just a 1v1 and there's no point in sticking to your build if you're feeding their top (or letting them farm) on the way to late game. Why prioritize E, I don't see how that would help at all except maybe if you run away and shoot it since flame you must be turned to her, also she will heal that damage away easily. The pre 6 I know very well as I said  I don't adapt my build very much for three specific reasons, I generally win my lane by a margin except in this case, I aim for the later game not just the laningphase so I want to have as large an impact as possible later on and I also want to know exactly how effective I will be where against what people. There are pro's and con's I agree, I'm not as stale as I sound but to adapt everything just to get a little further ahead laningphase is questionable in my opionion.Maybe I should try a chain west, only problem I see with it is that it abbrevates so much from what rumble is about in my opinion but I suppose I should try but I have a hard time imagining it working enough to netigate all her damage, it still feels as it will just be me farming under the tower, possibly having a chance to go out a little more often if my lane is pushed to kill creeps. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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kidd
United States2848 Posts
On February 19 2012 03:08 Yttrasil wrote: Why prioritize E, I don't see how that would help at all except maybe if you run away and shoot it since flame you must be turned to her, also she will heal that damage away easily. The pre 6 I know very well as I said I don't adapt my build very much for three specific reasons, I generally win my lane by a margin except in this case, I aim for the later game not just the laningphase so I want to have as large an impact as possible later on and I also want to know exactly how effective I will be where against what people. There are pro's and con's I agree, I'm not as stale as I sound but to adapt everything just to get a little further ahead laningphase is questionable in my opionion.Maybe I should try a chain west, only problem I see with it is that it abbrevates so much from what rumble is about in my opinion but I suppose I should try but I have a hard time imagining it working enough to netigate all her damage, it still feels as it will just be me farming under the tower, possibly having a chance to go out a little more often if my lane is pushed to kill creeps. I think you're approaching the match up the wrong way. Rumble is a brawler, but can very easily be a kiting champion. I've beaten AD nidalee's in lane doing this; I just farm if they're in human form then if they go in cougar form I hit with E and kite and avoid any damage using shield. Also just use E any time you have a chance. She won't be able to sustain the damage as well as you can. If you try to trade with flame thrower as usual, you're gonna lose out. I'm confused as to how you beat AP nidalee, but not AD early on. AP does more damage until you get a t3 item and heals more so sustains and lanes better. Also I play nidalee; ad, ap and hybrid. The champs I have the most trouble fighting are ones that can avoid/ignore my damage such as udyr, rumble (though I usually beat rumbles because play the match up wrong) and really high burst dashing champs like wukong. | ||
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Yttrasil
Sweden651 Posts
Problem people have vs AP nid is generally the damage she does early and cannot go out and kill her, she just can't handle the damage nor trade with rumble from what I've seen every time, havn't lost that matchup in a long time but AD alot more =) Kenpachi, 21/9/0 is the way to go always I think (except maybe vs AD nid) the defensetree doesn't make much sense I think further than 9, before the patches 9/21/0 was obvious now it's the other way around. | ||
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BobMcJohnson
France2916 Posts
On the other hand warwick is giving me quite a lot of troubles. How do you lane against him? Unless i get an early gank and get ahead early he can just ignore my harass and he ends up outfarming me hard since if I try to lasthit with my autoatack I just eat a Q. Could following the same approach as against Nid work? (prioritizing E to harass him without risking getting Q'd in return?) | ||
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