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On July 27 2012 11:53 sylverfyre wrote:
Has anyone used/considered spellvamp quints on Rumble? I usually use movespeed as it is, but would be easier to get an early haunting guise if you didn't need the early revolver. Love haunting guise on him, hurts so much.
I've been running exclusively spellvamp runes on rumble, and love it, especially if you duo with a jungler, you can shove waves on everyone, stay at full HP, and just have your friend ready for the guaranteed countergank double kills. open boots, pot ward vs aggressive ganking junglers like panth/jax or an unbanned alistar/naut
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health regen quints are better ~
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ive seen spellvamp quints and 0/15/15
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Can someone explain how his ult works with smartcast turned on  I've never messed up an ultimate so much in my life.
Or should I just turn his ult off when I play him?
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On August 29 2012 04:08 BlasiuS wrote:Can someone explain how his ult works with smartcast turned on I've never messed up an ultimate so much in my life. Or should I just turn his ult off when I play him?
Just turn it off. I always get frustrated when I turn it off then forget to turn it on again the next game playing a different champion though.
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when you're playing rumble top, do you want to use flamethrower to push the lane and roam? I have a really hard time getting good CS with rumble because of this method, am I just missing some nuance of lasthitting with rumble, or is this normal?
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I usually play passive lvls 1-5 or so. I start to get a bit more aggressive after lvl 5. I max Flamethrower first then shield. I use E to farm early and stay away from my laner most of the time. After I hit 6 I usually just W in with flamethrower and then try to push the lane, but I hardly ever get a decent CS (usually get beat by 50 or so by midgame). Should I be freezing the lane and trying to farm and trade if they come too close?
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On August 29 2012 08:18 Arisen wrote:
when you're playing rumble top, do you want to use flamethrower to push the lane and roam? I have a really hard time getting good CS with rumble because of this method, am I just missing some nuance of lasthitting with rumble, or is this normal?
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I usually play passive lvls 1-5 or so. I start to get a bit more aggressive after lvl 5. I max Flamethrower first then shield. I use E to farm early and stay away from my laner most of the time. After I hit 6 I usually just W in with flamethrower and then try to push the lane, but I hardly ever get a decent CS (usually get beat by 50 or so by midgame). Should I be freezing the lane and trying to farm and trade if they come too close?
Last hit better, it's just like last hitting with trist e. Get used to it.
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On August 29 2012 08:30 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 08:18 Arisen wrote:
when you're playing rumble top, do you want to use flamethrower to push the lane and roam? I have a really hard time getting good CS with rumble because of this method, am I just missing some nuance of lasthitting with rumble, or is this normal?
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I usually play passive lvls 1-5 or so. I start to get a bit more aggressive after lvl 5. I max Flamethrower first then shield. I use E to farm early and stay away from my laner most of the time. After I hit 6 I usually just W in with flamethrower and then try to push the lane, but I hardly ever get a decent CS (usually get beat by 50 or so by midgame). Should I be freezing the lane and trying to farm and trade if they come too close? Last hit better, it's just like last hitting with trist e. Get used to it.
helpful info here :/
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What else do you want? Shit's difficult, get better at it.
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On August 29 2012 04:10 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 04:08 BlasiuS wrote:Can someone explain how his ult works with smartcast turned on I've never messed up an ultimate so much in my life. Or should I just turn his ult off when I play him? Just turn it off. I always get frustrated when I turn it off then forget to turn it on again the next game playing a different champion though.
I personally like smartcast for rumble ult, it's more intuitive to me and much faster.
Just draw a line while holding R and then let go once you've drawn the line.
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On August 29 2012 09:50 Craton wrote:
What else do you want? Shit's difficult, get better at it.
I don't know, maybe an answer to my question? Do better does not tell me shit; doesnt tell me to freeze the lane or push the lane and roam, doesn't tell me how to do anything.
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It tells you to stop looking for shortcuts and an easy way out from learning basic rumble mechanics, aka last hitting while dealing with Q.
If you're in a lane where aggressive Q'ing is favorable, you should be last hitting well despite it. If you're not, then you use it more judiciously.
Whether you should roam or not is an entirely independent question. It has everything to do with how mobile their enemy lanes are, whether or not you can get somewhere unseen, whether or not your time spent away from lane would be worth more than suppressing your opponent (enemy laner is free-farming in your absence and you're losing lane presence), and so forth. That's not rumble specific. This is a general set of many factors that come together to decide if any laner should roam in any game and when.
Treat the actual problem instead of trying to treat the symptom.
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On August 29 2012 08:18 Arisen wrote:
when you're playing rumble top, do you want to use flamethrower to push the lane and roam? I have a really hard time getting good CS with rumble because of this method, am I just missing some nuance of lasthitting with rumble, or is this normal?
Edit for more info**
I usually play passive lvls 1-5 or so. I start to get a bit more aggressive after lvl 5. I max Flamethrower first then shield. I use E to farm early and stay away from my laner most of the time. After I hit 6 I usually just W in with flamethrower and then try to push the lane, but I hardly ever get a decent CS (usually get beat by 50 or so by midgame). Should I be freezing the lane and trying to farm and trade if they come too close?
Put points in minion damage mastery really helps.
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On August 29 2012 08:18 Arisen wrote:
when you're playing rumble top, do you want to use flamethrower to push the lane and roam? I have a really hard time getting good CS with rumble because of this method, am I just missing some nuance of lasthitting with rumble, or is this normal?
Edit for more info**
I usually play passive lvls 1-5 or so. I start to get a bit more aggressive after lvl 5. I max Flamethrower first then shield. I use E to farm early and stay away from my laner most of the time. After I hit 6 I usually just W in with flamethrower and then try to push the lane, but I hardly ever get a decent CS (usually get beat by 50 or so by midgame). Should I be freezing the lane and trying to farm and trade if they come too close?
Well if you push and roam then you won't get much cs. I doubt rumble's Q is causing the last hit discrepancy. I miss tons of last hits as morg because her W will bring the creeps low and another creep will kill them. Just by staying in lane and not ganking vs other pushy mids I get high cs.
Consider I dunno. 20*23~460 gold to be equal to a kill with a ganker in terms of gold. If you miss 23 creeps for a kill it's worth it overall for the team but your gold will be more distributed than your opponent's team. So like if the enemy laner gets 33 cs while you roam and net your team a kill and deny your opponent that you killed 10 cs then the teams break even imo, just your lane opponent will be much stronger than you if you were the one to get the assist in the kill.
Math:
Kills are worth 300 gold base. More if you are on a spree. Less if you are feeding.
~58% of that gold gets tacked on as a bonus and divided among all assisters. 300*1.58=474
Ranged creeps grant like 17 gold at the start and melee creeps slightly more. Cannon creeps give far more gold and exp but come less frequently. I'd say that early on it's about 20 gold.
Kills also grant experience equal to a percentage(look it up on lol wiki) of the amount your opponent needed to gain their last level. I'm not sure how many creeps this is equal to. Just like with the gold bounties, killing feeders will result in less experience and killing people with bounties will net more.
If you don't get fed though you rely on your team to be stronger so imo, unless you make sure you get the kill when you roam, staying in lane is usually better if you care more about yourself getting fed than your team.
There's a lot more variables. Kills in top lane at low levels can and will snowball. Kills in mid, I find, barely do anything. Kills in bot can snowball too, but it requires more than in top lane. Kills on junglers, unless you take their buffs, and they're really reliant on them, do barely anything compared to kills in top lane. This is very dependent on the champs in each lane.
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Kills also result in lost gold and exp and an exp gain for the killers.
There's no magic formula for "push and gank" vs "push and be suppressive" vs "push and recall." There's no substitute for experience; it's not a Rumble thing but an intricate inter-laning dynamic.
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One thing that I find helps last hitting on rumble is basically being aware of
You typically start from behind your melee creeps somewhere, turn on Q (maybe also W), and start running at your lane opponent. While you're doing so, take note of any creeps who are below 50% health and eating creep aggro. Go to last hit them WHILE running at your opponent - between creep aggro, and your flamethrower damage + your movement, you should be near position to last hit them while still facing your opponent. If you arrive at the creep too soon, press S rather than running past the creep, and wait to grab the last hit. You might lose a tick of harass or two, but you won't turn around to allow your opponent to run back in for free (whether it be to counter harass or last hit themself)
Laning on rumble involves a lot of running at your opponent and pressing S at the right time. You really don't want to just turn your back randomly (or run too close then be forced to turn away) - facing is very important to Rumble.
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On August 29 2012 13:41 sylverfyre wrote:
One thing that I find helps last hitting on rumble is basically being aware of
You typically start from behind your melee creeps somewhere, turn on Q (maybe also W), and start running at your lane opponent. While you're doing so, take note of any creeps who are below 50% health and eating creep aggro. Go to last hit them WHILE running at your opponent - between creep aggro, and your flamethrower damage + your movement, you should be near position to last hit them while still facing your opponent. If you arrive at the creep too soon, press S rather than running past the creep, and wait to grab the last hit. You might lose a tick of harass or two, but you won't turn around to allow your opponent to run back in for free (whether it be to counter harass or last hit themself)
Laning on rumble involves a lot of running at your opponent and pressing S at the right time. You really don't want to just turn your back randomly - facing is very important to Rumble.
ty for some actual advice 
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On August 29 2012 04:10 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 04:08 BlasiuS wrote:Can someone explain how his ult works with smartcast turned on I've never messed up an ultimate so much in my life. Or should I just turn his ult off when I play him? Just turn it off. I always get frustrated when I turn it off then forget to turn it on again the next game playing a different champion though.
Hm I tried it and I guess I'm just not used to having smartcast off after using it on basically all of my champs.
I'm interested in how it actually works; I can just run a custom game and do it over and over again, but if anyone knows how it works I'd appreciate an answer.
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On August 30 2012 04:01 BlasiuS wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 04:10 Sufficiency wrote:On August 29 2012 04:08 BlasiuS wrote:Can someone explain how his ult works with smartcast turned on I've never messed up an ultimate so much in my life. Or should I just turn his ult off when I play him? Just turn it off. I always get frustrated when I turn it off then forget to turn it on again the next game playing a different champion though. Hm I tried it and I guess I'm just not used to having smartcast off after using it on basically all of my champs. I'm interested in how it actually works; I can just run a custom game and do it over and over again, but if anyone knows how it works I'd appreciate an answer.
I think someone said you could just click and drag.
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To smartcast rumble ult, you hold R down, drag it, then let go of R. If you want to practice it, use viktor's laser so you can practice more than once a minute. That said, most people simply turn off smartcasting R when they play rumble.
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