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rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 23:08:54
July 16 2012 23:08 GMT
#121
On July 17 2012 08:04 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 02:02 De4ngus wrote:
On July 17 2012 01:17 Sufficiency wrote:
On July 17 2012 01:10 De4ngus wrote:
=/ if you're talking about arranged 5s, toplane is never fp anyway. if you're talking about soloq, i fp him every time.


It doesn't matter though. Against Riven there is no way Rumble can kill her unless she makes a mistake and all-ins you; against Kennen Rumble can't catch up to him; against Yorick.... well, it's Yorick. When you have zero abilities to kill your lane opponent you automatically lose the lane.

..... lol in soloq if you are better you will regardless of the matchup. also rumble owns kennen now with the range nerf. riot shouldnt have touched kennens range imo but thats something else.

...They did touch kennen's range.


touching...poor kennen
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Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
July 16 2012 23:09 GMT
#122
He's stating his opinion that that was the incorrect thing to balance. Ranges (autos and spells) are so sensitive to changes that a small change can entirely alter the laning of a given champion. For example the kass q range nerf severely diminished his effectiveness versus many APs. Likewise now vs kennen rumble has a much easier time getting his flame (and E's) onto kennen now that kennen cannot get into w-auto range without being at the mercy of at least 1 second of flamethrower.
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 10:30:29
July 17 2012 10:29 GMT
#123
I HATE RUMBLE AND DON'T KNOW HOW TO BEAT HIM

Who beats rumble and how? Fuck this broken-ass champion.

[edit] I've heard Kayle beats him--not sure how, though. [/edit]
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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 11:05:48
July 17 2012 10:36 GMT
#124
On July 17 2012 19:29 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I HATE RUMBLE AND DON'T KNOW HOW TO BEAT HIM

Who beats rumble and how? Fuck this broken-ass champion.

[edit] I've heard Kayle beats him--not sure how, though. [/edit]


I've had success with Irelia running aspd/armor/flatMR/2xflatMR 1xMS. Works wonders top lane against kennen(AP)/vlad/rumble. Open boots and just survive until you have enough money for double nullmagic, come back to lane and just free farm. Work towards mercs+phage and or wits, and you should be able to chunk if not kill them every time they come to lane once you have any two of the above complete.
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101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 11:35:45
July 17 2012 11:32 GMT
#125
On July 17 2012 19:29 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I HATE RUMBLE AND DON'T KNOW HOW TO BEAT HIM

Who beats rumble and how? Fuck this broken-ass champion.

[edit] I've heard Kayle beats him--not sure how, though. [/edit]

win nao, getting poked 3 times in a row has no counterplay, also double null mantle on xin npnp. That's with current xin, I don't know about the remake

Also don't pick chogath, 30 base mr feels real bad

Edit: back in the us, hit me up for some 1v1
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De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
July 17 2012 19:15 GMT
#126
On July 17 2012 19:36 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 19:29 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I HATE RUMBLE AND DON'T KNOW HOW TO BEAT HIM

Who beats rumble and how? Fuck this broken-ass champion.

[edit] I've heard Kayle beats him--not sure how, though. [/edit]


I've had success with Irelia running aspd/armor/flatMR/2xflatMR 1xMS. Works wonders top lane against kennen(AP)/vlad/rumble. Open boots and just survive until you have enough money for double nullmagic, come back to lane and just free farm. Work towards mercs+phage and or wits, and you should be able to chunk if not kill them every time they come to lane once you have any two of the above complete.

not sure if you missed the last 2 pages or what but you should go back and read them

mista shitcombo dont you play chogath? that guy can do well against rumble. i wouldnt say it beats rumble but if you play well you can come out even or slightly ahead.
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JokerSan
Profile Joined April 2005
United States306 Posts
July 17 2012 19:37 GMT
#127
Said it earlier but Darius poops on rumble. You actually can't lose after you finish rushing your hexdrinker.
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Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
July 17 2012 19:49 GMT
#128
On July 17 2012 19:29 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I HATE RUMBLE AND DON'T KNOW HOW TO BEAT HIM

Who beats rumble and how? Fuck this broken-ass champion.

[edit] I've heard Kayle beats him--not sure how, though. [/edit]

Pantheon in my experience. Highest base movement speed in the game to dodge harpoons, spear outranges flamethrower.
Spear like a madman lvl 1
lvl 2 conserve mana. He will push the lane for you here with his Q once he sees you're not throwing spears nonstop.
lvl 3 spear slowly and then speed up frequency until you have around 70 mana left right before you level up
At lvl 4 you can pretty much eat him alive. Rumble has no real burst damage to speak of so ignite him early to match his flamethrower damage. Once you're both low hp, that's Pantheon's time to shine.

Rumble also has no way to stop your ult so if you haven't killed him by level 6, engage and then back out like a pussy around half hp. Run into bush, he will probably ult. Aim your ult right where you walked into the bush. Throw a spear once you're up in the air and it should come down right before you do. He dies instantly to 400dmg nuke+spear+autocrit


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bmn
Profile Joined August 2010
886 Posts
July 17 2012 20:08 GMT
#129
On July 18 2012 04:49 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 19:29 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I HATE RUMBLE AND DON'T KNOW HOW TO BEAT HIM

Who beats rumble and how? Fuck this broken-ass champion.

[edit] I've heard Kayle beats him--not sure how, though. [/edit]

Pantheon in my experience. Highest base movement speed in the game to dodge harpoons, spear outranges flamethrower.
Spear like a madman lvl 1
lvl 2 conserve mana. He will push the lane for you here with his Q once he sees you're not throwing spears nonstop.
lvl 3 spear slowly and then speed up frequency until you have around 70 mana left right before you level up
At lvl 4 you can pretty much eat him alive. Rumble has no real burst damage to speak of so ignite him early to match his flamethrower damage. Once you're both low hp, that's Pantheon's time to shine.

Rumble also has no way to stop your ult so if you haven't killed him by level 6, engage and then back out like a pussy around half hp. Run into bush, he will probably ult. Aim your ult right where you walked into the bush. Throw a spear once you're up in the air and it should come down right before you do. He dies instantly to 400dmg nuke+spear+autocrit


21-0-9 bootsx3
Arpen red/quint, mana yellow, MR blues



I usually did fine against Panth, they're probably playing him wrong then...

As Rumble, I still don't see how to do anything against Yorick, I never come close to killing a Yorick in lane without jungler help, and the Yorick always succeeds in denying me a lot of cs. Kennen does well too.

(Irelia and AD nid are common picks too, though I have less experience playing against them.)
Highwayman
Profile Joined March 2010
United States181 Posts
July 17 2012 20:26 GMT
#130
As someone who's been playing mostly rumble top lately, champions I've been having trouble with are Kayle and Yorick. I actually usually beat Yorick because I've learned how to manage the ghouls and last hitting on my tower while giving my jungler good opportunities to gank -- but that is more just good laning mechanics to overcome the slight disadvantage. With Kayle I've lost pretty consistently and I've been fairly stumped at how to play it. I've read that the best way to deal with Kayle is to take advantage of the cooldown periods between the ranged modifier since the auto attack melee is not particularly scary early on, it's mainly the range/slow and constantly pushing your tower. How much time after that goes on cooldown do you have to harrass? It seems like the cooldown is fairly short, and you have a tiny window as it is because it takes time to get back out of her long range anyway. And for rumble in this matchup if you screw up at all early it snowballs really hard against you as Kayle can constantly push and farm at your tower safely, forcing you to miss a lot of CS to the turret, and the ult is good gank protection.

My questions are, what do you build early against Kayle defensively? She's hybrid but do you lean more toward armor or magic resist early on so you can avoid getting behind?
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
July 17 2012 20:36 GMT
#131
you dont really need defensive items. tabi is good though.
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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
July 17 2012 21:39 GMT
#132
On July 18 2012 05:36 De4ngus wrote:
you dont really need defensive items. tabi is good though.

Tanky AP items in general are pretty nice though - zhonyas, Abyssal, Rylais. Against Kayle, probably rylais first after revolver. (makes it much harder for her to kite you, +HP is pretty good vs her mixed damage)
Qualm
Profile Joined December 2009
721 Posts
July 18 2012 01:19 GMT
#133
I feel like Rylais is really overrated on Rumble. Your E already slows, your ult already slows, and your Q isn't that high range + only procs it for 15%... On top of that, if doesn't stack with Phage and Mallet or another Rylais if your mid gets one, and so I feel like most of the time I'd rather get hourglass or haunting guise + abyssal if I want to build more defensively.

Sure, the HP is nice, but its not the most cost efficient item and so if you can't make full use of the slow I really don't see the point in buying it over of other items.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
July 18 2012 01:23 GMT
#134
the slow is multiplicatively added to your E though, so your E slow is nutso with rylai's, isn't it?
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Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
July 18 2012 01:33 GMT
#135
On July 18 2012 10:23 gtrsrs wrote:
the slow is multiplicatively added to your E though, so your E slow is nutso with rylai's, isn't it?


Yeah if you hit a max E with rylai and they're moving leona-ult levels of slow.
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
July 18 2012 01:49 GMT
#136
yeah each E is like a 2-second stun with rylais it feels like
and the HP is great when combined with spellvamp yada yada yada
it's just a good item
rumble is one of the few champs where his itemization is always easy imo - wota rylai abyssal boots, wgaf what else you buy
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 18 2012 02:01 GMT
#137
On July 18 2012 10:49 gtrsrs wrote:
yeah each E is like a 2-second stun with rylais it feels like
and the HP is great when combined with spellvamp yada yada yada
it's just a good item
rumble is one of the few champs where his itemization is always easy imo - wota rylai abyssal boots, wgaf what else you buy


Sometimes I get a Warmog after my core for the lolz.
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Qualm
Profile Joined December 2009
721 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 02:21:25
July 18 2012 02:18 GMT
#138
On July 18 2012 10:23 gtrsrs wrote:
the slow is multiplicatively added to your E though, so your E slow is nutso with rylai's, isn't it?

I don't think so. Multiple slows stack really poorly: every slow but the strongest is reduced to 35% of it's strength, THEN stacks multiplicatively. This means that a single, powerful slow is better than a bunch of small slows, and also means that stacking slows kind of sucks in general.

You can read about it here: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Slow#Slow_stacking

If I understand correctly, your max level slow when in danger zone is of 45,5% already, and would only get increased to about 52,2% with Rylais, meaning you only get about 7% of extra slow out of it.

The wiki page is fairly confusing however, so I might be wrong. I'll have to test it out in game.

On July 18 2012 10:49 gtrsrs wrote:
yeah each E is like a 2-second stun with rylais it feels like
and the HP is great when combined with spellvamp yada yada yada


Well it's already a fricken insane slow without Rylais. And spellvamp scales with resistances, not HP :3
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
July 18 2012 03:53 GMT
#139
i used to never buy rylai but with wota spellvamp and cost nerfs might as well go revolver -> hp item. rylai, haunting guise, warmog, w/e.
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
July 18 2012 11:08 GMT
#140
The thing about rumble to me is that to beat him you have to basically all-in on him at the correct time and hope his jungler isn't in the bush because i don't care who you are, you're not going to outburst him when he's got backup. I also feel like rumble can just rush chainmail + tabi vs champs like xin/panth and he'll just win when you can't kill him through shield because he doesn't use mana and you do. Darius seems interesting. Kayle and Yorick are the two champs which I know are good picks against rumble but as stated before, yeah, Cho loses horribly to rumble because of how hard he can just push and zone you with no real counterplay unless he's retarded and you land a rupture as your jungler ganks and even then he's usually good with flash + shield. That shield should NOT give him a MS buff lol.
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