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quillian
Profile Joined April 2010
United States318 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-06 16:36:02
July 06 2012 16:34 GMT
#221
ok cool, that makes sense, thanks.

Do you have any suggestions on how to deal with low health issues on kass, or is just not meant to have sustain? I find myself investing in a lot of pots and having to back frequently to keep up health/mana.

my normal build is boots, doran, tear, catalyst > rod of ages, deathcap/lichbane, frozen heart if I need it.

I like having a large mana pool for R spam, as the damage scales tremendously if you can build it up.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
July 06 2012 16:42 GMT
#222
I prefer Cata over tear in like 99% of the casters. It's been a long time since I last played Kass, but it holds true for other mana hungry champs I like (like Anivia).

Having the HP and the regen @ lvl up is worth much more and is more useful the faster you get it.
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-06 17:45:09
July 06 2012 17:43 GMT
#223
On July 07 2012 01:34 quillian wrote:
ok cool, that makes sense, thanks.

Do you have any suggestions on how to deal with low health issues on kass, or is just not meant to have sustain? I find myself investing in a lot of pots and having to back frequently to keep up health/mana.

my normal build is boots, doran, tear, catalyst > rod of ages, deathcap/lichbane, frozen heart if I need it.

I like having a large mana pool for R spam, as the damage scales tremendously if you can build it up.

I go boots3pot then rush cata. a dorans if i back with at least 475 gold, but not enough to buy blasting wand. Generally, I don't like to get tear 'cause i feel like it delays my damage way too much, but some people do get it. Same deal with Philo.

My build is usually boots>cata>roa>dcap. Then Zhonyas and Abyssal; which one I get first depends on what I feel like I need more, the armor and stasis or the mr and mr reduction. I round out my build with void staff. Don't get lichbane; you shouldn't be auto-attacking your enemies as AP kass much if at all. If you want armor, go with Zhonyas not frozen heart. For boots I favor cdr boots cause you need your skills off cd as much as possible, especially after all the nerfs. If I'm dominating I do grab sorcs from time to time but I almost always sell them later in the game for cdr boots or mercs.

Sustaining in lane is pretty much covered via pots, cata passive and intelligent play. Don't trade unless you know you will come out on top, which is pretty easy against most AP mids once you hit 6.

Also, Kassadin stuff goes here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245461
Pretty old, but the discussion on the last few pages are still very relevant. The OP isn't really that out of date either.
quillian
Profile Joined April 2010
United States318 Posts
July 06 2012 19:14 GMT
#224
yeah this got off topic after the first question. Thanks for the tips! I'll check out the kass thread.
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
July 07 2012 18:32 GMT
#225
how do you build akali? AP/AD/hybrid? And do you customize runes/masteries to get both passives at lvl 1?
onihunter
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States515 Posts
July 07 2012 18:48 GMT
#226
On July 08 2012 03:32 nosliw wrote:
how do you build akali? AP/AD/hybrid? And do you customize runes/masteries to get both passives at lvl 1?


Read this guide: http://www.lolpro.com/guides/akali/84-akali-guide-top-lane
jaedong forever~
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-07 18:53:37
July 07 2012 18:53 GMT
#227
I've been playing her lately and going like

1-2 doran's blades
revolver
deathfire grasp
gunblade

and then a defensive item, GA or Banshees. It plays really, really well. I always felt like there was something kind of off about the standard builds and this gives pretty much everything I want.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
July 07 2012 20:01 GMT
#228
or you can just buy gunblade and beast everyone lol
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jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
July 07 2012 20:15 GMT
#229
Yea you dont need the dorans if you get the two passives from your rune page
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-07 22:29:00
July 07 2012 22:18 GMT
#230
they're good stats. same as any other champion. ad carry "uh yeah you could buy dorans. or you could just buy infinity edge and truck people." ap "yeah you could buy rings. or uh, just get deathcap? you'll, you know, beast everyone."

dfg is fucking legit too
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-08 00:23:55
July 08 2012 00:23 GMT
#231
http://solomid.net/guides.php?g=10075 is pretty much the best guide I've found out there atm, easily beats Westrice guides. Also he suggests some REALLY slick runepages which help you to truck people like Garen/Renek or at least not get trucked by them. =P
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
July 08 2012 18:11 GMT
#232
Could any akali players provide som tips on which heros counters her and vice versa?
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101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
July 11 2012 14:24 GMT
#233
On July 09 2012 03:11 Ota Solgryn wrote:
Could any akali players provide som tips on which heros counters her and vice versa?

Top lane:
Lee Sin is a pretty obvious counter, Garen is pretty good as well.
Akali does well against mundo, singed, basically melee champs that aren't early game orientated. Also does well against ad carries top especially when you hit 6.

I don't know how Akali works mid-lane these days, but I hear it's not very good
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
July 11 2012 15:51 GMT
#234
On July 11 2012 23:24 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 03:11 Ota Solgryn wrote:
Could any akali players provide som tips on which heros counters her and vice versa?

Top lane:
Lee Sin is a pretty obvious counter, Garen is pretty good as well.
Akali does well against mundo, singed, basically melee champs that aren't early game orientated. Also does well against ad carries top especially when you hit 6.

I don't know how Akali works mid-lane these days, but I hear it's not very good


Sion/Brand/Viktor are utter bitches to play against mid, the rest is mostly stuff you can deal with.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
brolaf
Profile Joined May 2012
291 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-11 17:00:37
July 11 2012 17:00 GMT
#235
On July 08 2012 09:23 r.Evo wrote:
http://solomid.net/guides.php?g=10075 is pretty much the best guide I've found out there atm, easily beats Westrice guides. Also he suggests some REALLY slick runepages which help you to truck people like Garen/Renek or at least not get trucked by them. =P

I dunno.. i feel l ike gunblade isnt that good any more. I mean the lifesteal&ad part of the item doesnt do a ton when you get slow from rylai and mostly utilize spells rather than AD damage.
Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
July 11 2012 17:10 GMT
#236
On July 09 2012 03:11 Ota Solgryn wrote:
Could any akali players provide som tips on which heros counters her and vice versa?


Renekton, lee, rumble
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
July 11 2012 17:24 GMT
#237
On July 12 2012 02:00 brolaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 09:23 r.Evo wrote:
http://solomid.net/guides.php?g=10075 is pretty much the best guide I've found out there atm, easily beats Westrice guides. Also he suggests some REALLY slick runepages which help you to truck people like Garen/Renek or at least not get trucked by them. =P

I dunno.. i feel l ike gunblade isnt that good any more. I mean the lifesteal&ad part of the item doesnt do a ton when you get slow from rylai and mostly utilize spells rather than AD damage.

Gunblade has an active that nukes and slows, gives you retarded amounts of sustain, and gives you a lot of damage even after its nerf. There is a distinctive reason why Westrice went back to building gunblade as a core item on Akali after experimenting with rylai builds after the gunblade nerf
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-11 18:00:35
July 11 2012 17:59 GMT
#238
I've noticed strong heroes vs akali tend to be melee ones with strong ranged harass. For example, pantheon or rumble. Usually her whole thing is that she can't do much against ranged harass but as soon as she gets into melee range she just blows her opponent up. Unfortunately if they can hit you from range and then actually hit really really hard when you close to melee she's kinda screwed. There's also a few guys that just outburst you in exchanges like garen or renek.

I think lee countering akali is way overstated.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
July 11 2012 18:18 GMT
#239
On July 12 2012 02:59 UniversalSnip wrote:
I've noticed strong heroes vs akali tend to be melee ones with strong ranged harass. For example, pantheon or rumble. Usually her whole thing is that she can't do much against ranged harass but as soon as she gets into melee range she just blows her opponent up. Unfortunately if they can hit you from range and then actually hit really really hard when you close to melee she's kinda screwed. There's also a few guys that just outburst you in exchanges like garen or renek.

I think lee countering akali is way overstated.

Against renek/garen/pantheon you just farm, don't brawl. They all fall off. Chainvest/dodge boots/lantern/40 armor page (that's right, forget your passive) are all very good. That's not to say these champs aren't strong vs akali, just that you can prevent yourself from dying really hard. Not sure about rumble, maybe null-mantle->mercs first would work, but then again, akali is not irelia.

Lee is just OP in general (don't give me the high skillcap bullshit).
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
TomatoShark
Profile Joined August 2011
United States288 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-11 18:29:50
July 11 2012 18:28 GMT
#240
dont go dorans blades just use 6 ad runes 2 mpen armor yellow 4 flat ap blue 4 ap per lvl blue flat ap quint go boots pots last hit till 6 rush revolver into gunblade then get deathcap and ga usually merc treads. 21-9 get the +3 dmg in masteries then all the ap masteries down to executioner. get whatever armor mastery you need for your lane and get hp per lvl and +30 hp
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