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ok cool, that makes sense, thanks.
Do you have any suggestions on how to deal with low health issues on kass, or is just not meant to have sustain? I find myself investing in a lot of pots and having to back frequently to keep up health/mana.
my normal build is boots, doran, tear, catalyst > rod of ages, deathcap/lichbane, frozen heart if I need it.
I like having a large mana pool for R spam, as the damage scales tremendously if you can build it up.
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I prefer Cata over tear in like 99% of the casters. It's been a long time since I last played Kass, but it holds true for other mana hungry champs I like (like Anivia).
Having the HP and the regen @ lvl up is worth much more and is more useful the faster you get it.
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On July 07 2012 01:34 quillian wrote: ok cool, that makes sense, thanks.
Do you have any suggestions on how to deal with low health issues on kass, or is just not meant to have sustain? I find myself investing in a lot of pots and having to back frequently to keep up health/mana.
my normal build is boots, doran, tear, catalyst > rod of ages, deathcap/lichbane, frozen heart if I need it.
I like having a large mana pool for R spam, as the damage scales tremendously if you can build it up. I go boots3pot then rush cata. a dorans if i back with at least 475 gold, but not enough to buy blasting wand. Generally, I don't like to get tear 'cause i feel like it delays my damage way too much, but some people do get it. Same deal with Philo.
My build is usually boots>cata>roa>dcap. Then Zhonyas and Abyssal; which one I get first depends on what I feel like I need more, the armor and stasis or the mr and mr reduction. I round out my build with void staff. Don't get lichbane; you shouldn't be auto-attacking your enemies as AP kass much if at all. If you want armor, go with Zhonyas not frozen heart. For boots I favor cdr boots cause you need your skills off cd as much as possible, especially after all the nerfs. If I'm dominating I do grab sorcs from time to time but I almost always sell them later in the game for cdr boots or mercs.
Sustaining in lane is pretty much covered via pots, cata passive and intelligent play. Don't trade unless you know you will come out on top, which is pretty easy against most AP mids once you hit 6.
Also, Kassadin stuff goes here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245461 Pretty old, but the discussion on the last few pages are still very relevant. The OP isn't really that out of date either.
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yeah this got off topic after the first question. Thanks for the tips! I'll check out the kass thread.
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how do you build akali? AP/AD/hybrid? And do you customize runes/masteries to get both passives at lvl 1?
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I've been playing her lately and going like
1-2 doran's blades revolver deathfire grasp gunblade
and then a defensive item, GA or Banshees. It plays really, really well. I always felt like there was something kind of off about the standard builds and this gives pretty much everything I want.
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or you can just buy gunblade and beast everyone lol
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Yea you dont need the dorans if you get the two passives from your rune page
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they're good stats. same as any other champion. ad carry "uh yeah you could buy dorans. or you could just buy infinity edge and truck people." ap "yeah you could buy rings. or uh, just get deathcap? you'll, you know, beast everyone."
dfg is fucking legit too
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http://solomid.net/guides.php?g=10075 is pretty much the best guide I've found out there atm, easily beats Westrice guides. Also he suggests some REALLY slick runepages which help you to truck people like Garen/Renek or at least not get trucked by them. =P
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Could any akali players provide som tips on which heros counters her and vice versa?
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On July 09 2012 03:11 Ota Solgryn wrote: Could any akali players provide som tips on which heros counters her and vice versa? Top lane: Lee Sin is a pretty obvious counter, Garen is pretty good as well. Akali does well against mundo, singed, basically melee champs that aren't early game orientated. Also does well against ad carries top especially when you hit 6.
I don't know how Akali works mid-lane these days, but I hear it's not very good
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On July 11 2012 23:24 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 03:11 Ota Solgryn wrote: Could any akali players provide som tips on which heros counters her and vice versa? Top lane: Lee Sin is a pretty obvious counter, Garen is pretty good as well. Akali does well against mundo, singed, basically melee champs that aren't early game orientated. Also does well against ad carries top especially when you hit 6. I don't know how Akali works mid-lane these days, but I hear it's not very good
Sion/Brand/Viktor are utter bitches to play against mid, the rest is mostly stuff you can deal with.
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On July 08 2012 09:23 r.Evo wrote:http://solomid.net/guides.php?g=10075 is pretty much the best guide I've found out there atm, easily beats Westrice guides. Also he suggests some REALLY slick runepages which help you to truck people like Garen/Renek or at least not get trucked by them. =P I dunno.. i feel l ike gunblade isnt that good any more. I mean the lifesteal&ad part of the item doesnt do a ton when you get slow from rylai and mostly utilize spells rather than AD damage.
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On July 09 2012 03:11 Ota Solgryn wrote: Could any akali players provide som tips on which heros counters her and vice versa?
Renekton, lee, rumble
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On July 12 2012 02:00 brolaf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 09:23 r.Evo wrote:http://solomid.net/guides.php?g=10075 is pretty much the best guide I've found out there atm, easily beats Westrice guides. Also he suggests some REALLY slick runepages which help you to truck people like Garen/Renek or at least not get trucked by them. =P I dunno.. i feel l ike gunblade isnt that good any more. I mean the lifesteal&ad part of the item doesnt do a ton when you get slow from rylai and mostly utilize spells rather than AD damage. Gunblade has an active that nukes and slows, gives you retarded amounts of sustain, and gives you a lot of damage even after its nerf. There is a distinctive reason why Westrice went back to building gunblade as a core item on Akali after experimenting with rylai builds after the gunblade nerf
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I've noticed strong heroes vs akali tend to be melee ones with strong ranged harass. For example, pantheon or rumble. Usually her whole thing is that she can't do much against ranged harass but as soon as she gets into melee range she just blows her opponent up. Unfortunately if they can hit you from range and then actually hit really really hard when you close to melee she's kinda screwed. There's also a few guys that just outburst you in exchanges like garen or renek.
I think lee countering akali is way overstated.
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On July 12 2012 02:59 UniversalSnip wrote: I've noticed strong heroes vs akali tend to be melee ones with strong ranged harass. For example, pantheon or rumble. Usually her whole thing is that she can't do much against ranged harass but as soon as she gets into melee range she just blows her opponent up. Unfortunately if they can hit you from range and then actually hit really really hard when you close to melee she's kinda screwed. There's also a few guys that just outburst you in exchanges like garen or renek.
I think lee countering akali is way overstated. Against renek/garen/pantheon you just farm, don't brawl. They all fall off. Chainvest/dodge boots/lantern/40 armor page (that's right, forget your passive) are all very good. That's not to say these champs aren't strong vs akali, just that you can prevent yourself from dying really hard. Not sure about rumble, maybe null-mantle->mercs first would work, but then again, akali is not irelia.
Lee is just OP in general (don't give me the high skillcap bullshit).
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dont go dorans blades just use 6 ad runes 2 mpen armor yellow 4 flat ap blue 4 ap per lvl blue flat ap quint go boots pots last hit till 6 rush revolver into gunblade then get deathcap and ga usually merc treads. 21-9 get the +3 dmg in masteries then all the ap masteries down to executioner. get whatever armor mastery you need for your lane and get hp per lvl and +30 hp
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