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On July 11 2012 23:24 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 03:11 Ota Solgryn wrote:
Could any akali players provide som tips on which heros counters her and vice versa? Top lane: Lee Sin is a pretty obvious counter, Garen is pretty good as well. Akali does well against mundo, singed, basically melee champs that aren't early game orientated. Also does well against ad carries top especially when you hit 6. I don't know how Akali works mid-lane these days, but I hear it's not very good
In mid lane she is like Kassadin/LeBlanc as a general counter to typical AP mids, except she also has retarded sustain. I find it a nightmare to lane against her.
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I've taken to going orianna against akali mid. Until she hits 6, she can't get on top of you to melee and before 6, you can abuse her hard since you can easily hit her through the shroud. Whenever her shroud isn't up, you can shield yourself and just autoattack akali and there's nothing she can do pre-6 besides Q you and pot up, which isn't much damage compared to what you're dealing.
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I don't like that guide by pheonix kami when the hell do you ever get crit chance on akali...
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On July 12 2012 06:51 TomatoShark wrote:
I don't like that guide by pheonix kami when the hell do you ever get crit chance on akali...
If you go hybrid you autoattack a ton, makes perfect sense to get sum crit.
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On July 12 2012 04:30 Lmui wrote:
I've taken to going orianna against akali mid. Until she hits 6, she can't get on top of you to melee and before 6, you can abuse her hard since you can easily hit her through the shroud. Whenever her shroud isn't up, you can shield yourself and just autoattack akali and there's nothing she can do pre-6 besides Q you and pot up, which isn't much damage compared to what you're dealing.
And she will proceed to faceroll you anyway after she hits 6.
I recall in a different game I was Cassiopeia against Akali. I got the first blue because we invaded; I zoned the Akali so hard that at one point I had like 70ish CS and she had 20. Then I bought a giant's belt.... then still get facerolled by Akali at around lvl 9-11.
Maybe I am not playing right, but whenever I lane against Akali I don't plan to win the lane; I just try to do barely OK, not feed her, ward both sides of the brushes so she can't gank easily and get fed, and wait for late game when I out-scale her with my "more conventional" AP carry.
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On July 12 2012 07:36 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 06:51 TomatoShark wrote:
I don't like that guide by pheonix kami when the hell do you ever get crit chance on akali... If you go hybrid you autoattack a ton, makes perfect sense to get sum crit.
:| ap akali is where its at
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On July 12 2012 07:45 TomatoShark wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 07:36 JackDino wrote:On July 12 2012 06:51 TomatoShark wrote:
I don't like that guide by pheonix kami when the hell do you ever get crit chance on akali... If you go hybrid you autoattack a ton, makes perfect sense to get sum crit. :| ap akali is where its at
I was replying to his quote, which was him disliking getting crit on akali, which you only get when you go hybrid akali. I never said hybrid akali was da bes or the only build. Context and such. Hybrid generally better against high hp tanky targets.
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Akali might not be OP anymore but I still think her Twilight shroud lasts way too long. Maybe like 4 seconds.
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Was arguing with a friend that Mord is a viable counter to Akali. I always thought that he was, when you consider he pushes hard so Akali will risk her tower if she roams, he can just E her in shroud and at Mord will always win 1v1.
Am I right or wrong? I main Morde and have stomped a few Akalis but this is only 1400 ELO so hard to tell.
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On July 12 2012 07:58 schmutttt wrote:
Was arguing with a friend that Mord is a viable counter to Akali. I always thought that he was, when you consider he pushes hard so Akali will risk her tower if she roams, he can just E her in shroud and at Mord will always win 1v1.
Am I right or wrong? I main Morde and have stomped a few Akalis but this is only 1400 ELO so hard to tell.
Akali Q auto shreds morde since shield is so weak early, and she can usually burst morde down at 6 with ignite.
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On July 12 2012 07:42 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 04:30 Lmui wrote:
I've taken to going orianna against akali mid. Until she hits 6, she can't get on top of you to melee and before 6, you can abuse her hard since you can easily hit her through the shroud. Whenever her shroud isn't up, you can shield yourself and just autoattack akali and there's nothing she can do pre-6 besides Q you and pot up, which isn't much damage compared to what you're dealing. And she will proceed to faceroll you anyway after she hits 6. I recall in a different game I was Cassiopeia against Akali. I got the first blue because we invaded; I zoned the Akali so hard that at one point I had like 70ish CS and she had 20. Then I bought a giant's belt.... then still get facerolled by Akali at around lvl 9-11. Maybe I am not playing right, but whenever I lane against Akali I don't plan to win the lane; I just try to do barely OK, not feed her, ward both sides of the brushes so she can't gank easily and get fed, and wait for late game when I out-scale her with my "more conventional" AP carry.
Hmm looking at my replays I only actually have one orianna vs akali that's relatively recent (past month)
http://www.leaguereplays.com/replays/match/592475/
If you want to take a look, it's around the 1650 ELO level. Not really a fair comparison because our riven jungle snowballed absurdly hard but it's not bad. Despite how far behind the akali got, she was still killing people because I did a terrible job of following my lane and later on, she still did a pretty damn good job in teamfights where they didn't throw.
Honestly though, I don't see how akali is going to reverse the snowball entirely. She's going to get shit on in lane since the ball is purely ground targetted AoE. If she wants to melee to CS, she'll eat ball and autoattacks. If she Q's to CS, she isn't able to harass.
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On July 12 2012 07:58 schmutttt wrote:
Was arguing with a friend that Mord is a viable counter to Akali. I always thought that he was, when you consider he pushes hard so Akali will risk her tower if she roams, he can just E her in shroud and at Mord will always win 1v1.
Am I right or wrong? I main Morde and have stomped a few Akalis but this is only 1400 ELO so hard to tell.
Depends on if its top lane or mid. Top sucks for morde, mid sucks more for akali. In general the matchup needs akali to take advantage of morde's shitty early game. if she doesnt, it sucks for her.
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On July 12 2012 07:58 schmutttt wrote:
Was arguing with a friend that Mord is a viable counter to Akali. I always thought that he was, when you consider he pushes hard so Akali will risk her tower if she roams, he can just E her in shroud and at Mord will always win 1v1.
Am I right or wrong? I main Morde and have stomped a few Akalis but this is only 1400 ELO so hard to tell.
You cannot beat 13pot kaiser. That is all.
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More games, dropped rushing dfg. Item fits her well but needs more AP for the active to be worth it and pick is such a horrible item top lane (which is where I've been playing her). Still pretty much always throwing in at least one dblade but otherwise it's straight for gunblade now.
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On July 12 2012 08:43 Dgiese wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 07:58 schmutttt wrote:
Was arguing with a friend that Mord is a viable counter to Akali. I always thought that he was, when you consider he pushes hard so Akali will risk her tower if she roams, he can just E her in shroud and at Mord will always win 1v1.
Am I right or wrong? I main Morde and have stomped a few Akalis but this is only 1400 ELO so hard to tell. Depends on if its top lane or mid. Top sucks for morde, mid sucks more for akali. In general the matchup needs akali to take advantage of morde's shitty early game. if she doesnt, it sucks for her.
Yep, learned this the hard way. You just have to realize his shield is horrible at early levels and trade blows til you can completely zone him out of lane. No damage to morde before like 4 minute mark = akali loses the lane.
Also,
Mark of the Assassin
Restores 20/25/30/35/40 from 15/20/25/30/35 Energy
+ Show Spoiler [source] +http://summonermatch.com/patchnotes.php
Riot trying to slowly buff akali back into use?
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Updated. Akali is a hell of a lot stronger now for the same reasons every other assassin is a hell of a lot stronger. It helps that Gunblade got buffed like crazy for someone who does tons of single target damage like Akali. I really like the power of Gunblade + DFG + Lich Bane for making carries disappear.
Also, jungle Akali is totally legit. Those level 6 ganks.
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Ah, hadn't realised you'd updated yr jungle Akali guide on the official forums - I'd been keeping at eye on your blog. Would love to see some VoDs of S3 jungle Akali play if any are around.
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Mondays with Monte has been distracting me from making new jungle video guides, but I'll try and get an Akali one out there soon.
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On December 11 2012 02:34 Seuss wrote:
Updated. Akali is a hell of a lot stronger now for the same reasons every other assassin is a hell of a lot stronger. It helps that Gunblade got buffed like crazy for someone who does tons of single target damage like Akali. I really like the power of Gunblade + DFG + Lich Bane for making carries disappear.
Also, jungle Akali is totally legit. Those level 6 ganks.
I was thinking she could be good to pick up because of the oracles nerf... whenever I played her that was what could really shut her out of teamfights.
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Can Black Cleaver be built on her successfully?
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