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On September 24 2011 02:36 HazMat wrote:
Some cool trick I saw some Cait do that I've never seen before.
Put 3 traps at the enemy wraiths. Can usually slow down some junglers, just don't do it vs Noct ^^
lol, we once had Cait drop trap on wraith bush while I did my red buff WW start ambush shenanigan, while Turkey sat there waiting for him as Zil.
So BM.
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LOL will do that some time
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On September 24 2011 03:03 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 02:36 HazMat wrote:
Some cool trick I saw some Cait do that I've never seen before.
Put 3 traps at the enemy wraiths. Can usually slow down some junglers, just don't do it vs Noct ^^ lol, we once had Cait drop trap on wraith bush while I did my red buff WW start ambush shenanigan, while Turkey sat there waiting for him as Zil. So BM.
Cait trap in wraith brush + heimer turret outside the brush but outside of wraith range is brutal too, quick set-up and fucks up every jungler that starts at blue. If you know they're at golems you put the heimer turret on the other side of the brush instead of wraith-side
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Concerning tertiary items: after BT and PD, I usually pick between a LW for arpen or IE for damage if no armor. Lately I've been thinking of getting a Cleaver for both and a bit of attack speed. Is this suboptimal?
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On October 01 2011 12:26 Requizen wrote:
Concerning tertiary items: after BT and PD, I usually pick between a LW for arpen or IE for damage if no armor. Lately I've been thinking of getting a Cleaver for both and a bit of attack speed. Is this suboptimal?
100% situational. Cleaver's armor pen is most effective on squishies with low to mediocre armor. LW's armor pen is most effective on beasts that are stacking armor.
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On October 01 2011 12:26 Requizen wrote:
Concerning tertiary items: after BT and PD, I usually pick between a LW for arpen or IE for damage if no armor. Lately I've been thinking of getting a Cleaver for both and a bit of attack speed. Is this suboptimal?
Also if there other AD champs in your team BC becomes even better since they do more damage too, i like to get BC most of the time since i like to focus low hp-armor ppl and not tanks XD
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On October 03 2011 07:25 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 12:26 Requizen wrote:
Concerning tertiary items: after BT and PD, I usually pick between a LW for arpen or IE for damage if no armor. Lately I've been thinking of getting a Cleaver for both and a bit of attack speed. Is this suboptimal? 100% situational. Cleaver's armor pen is most effective on squishies with low to mediocre armor. LW's armor pen is most effective on beasts that are stacking armor.
By the time you start building your third item (usually between 25-30 minutes if you don't get a BV/QSS first) most people already have too much armour for BC to be at its best and it only gets worse as the game goes on.
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Thanks for responses, just one more. After that (and this is end-game, probably never build it type stuff), but do you go for a defensive item? I feel that BT gives enough sustain, but I rarely get a game that goes that long and allows for enough farm.
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On October 04 2011 03:20 Requizen wrote:
Thanks for responses, just one more. After that (and this is end-game, probably never build it type stuff), but do you go for a defensive item? I feel that BT gives enough sustain, but I rarely get a game that goes that long and allows for enough farm.
BF sword item, PD, LW+ boots is generally your 4 core damage/movement slots. I'd generally look at how you're dying and get a negatron or chainmail post zeal before finishing the PD, especially if you start strong and get a charged BT or IE before 20 minutes.
QSS/LW timing on cait is usually very important, given that she's a huge chunk of deadweight if she's dead or can't do any damage to the people in range of her.
So no, its never an end-game thing. Its generally a midgame thing. Going 100% damage doesn't work unless your support/peeling crew is top notch and you have time to trap up the fight area, which you often don't. I'd only go the 100% deeps route if I was kog and they didn't have a ridiculous gap closer.
Edit: Do you mean an additional 6th defensive item to close our your build? I'd generally get another PD and abuse traps + movement as my defense if I already had QSS and I wasn't getting 100->0 bursted.
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Well I did mean the 6th, build closing item, but you bring up a good point. I'm still newish, so I do often "blind build" and just go DBlade > Boots > BFS > Zeal > etc without responding. When do you think it's necessary to grab a defensive item? I generally feel safe with 2/3 DBlades, but maybe the Negatron or Chain is nice. Then just hold on to them until you can build them into something better later? Will just those be enough to keep one alive through the mid-game?
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On October 04 2011 06:46 Requizen wrote:
Well I did mean the 6th, build closing item, but you bring up a good point. I'm still newish, so I do often "blind build" and just go DBlade > Boots > BFS > Zeal > etc without responding. When do you think it's necessary to grab a defensive item? I generally feel safe with 2/3 DBlades, but maybe the Negatron or Chain is nice. Then just hold on to them until you can build them into something better later? Will just those be enough to keep one alive through the mid-game?
You can't cookie-cutter your defensive item selection. How much defense you need depends on what kind of diving power the opposing team has, what dangerous spells they have that you have to be wary about, how farmed the enemy carries are compared to you, etc.
Sometimes you don't buy defense till after 3 damage items. Sometimes you need QSS right after your IE is finished. You have to get a feel for what different champions can do, and how much defense you need against them.
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Read on Reddit that Candy Panda plays Cait with Arpen red, AD yellow, AS blue, AD quints.
Schwa? I guess if you really want to just crush early on and dominate lane, but there's no defense there at all. I missed his build, did he get Wriggles or something to make up for it?
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vs most ADs you should get way more autos in on them than they can get on you
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