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On September 22 2011 03:13 Novalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 02:51 TheYango wrote:On September 22 2011 02:34 r.Evo wrote:
Which autoattacking steroids do you plan on using? Oh, your passive? Play vayne or kog.
Orianna as a ranged carry does nothing what a "real" ranged carry can't do. In fact, it's so bad that not even the newbs on Leagucraft try to make guides for it. It's even worse now that her AA range got nerfed to 500. I wasn't thinking of being a ranged carry or anything, just adding Nashor's and Malady to make good use of her passive, while still having good survivability and nuking. Nashor's is a good caster item anyway, and Malady is a relatively cheap item which has perfect synergy with her passive.
At this point, if you're within 500 range of someone in a teamfight that's actually worth autoattacking, you should pretty much die for it. Her passive is nice for her laning, and gives a bit of extra damage when you're cleaning up the tail end of a teamfight, but it's absolutely not worth itemizing for.
Also, for the 10,000th time, CDR (from Nashor's) is worthless for AP casters to buy because of the existence of blue buff.
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On September 22 2011 03:13 Novalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 02:51 TheYango wrote:On September 22 2011 02:34 r.Evo wrote:
Which autoattacking steroids do you plan on using? Oh, your passive? Play vayne or kog.
Orianna as a ranged carry does nothing what a "real" ranged carry can't do. In fact, it's so bad that not even the newbs on Leagucraft try to make guides for it. It's even worse now that her AA range got nerfed to 500. I wasn't thinking of being a ranged carry or anything, just adding Nashor's and Malady to make good use of her passive, while still having good survivability and nuking. Nashor's is a good caster item anyway, and Malady is a relatively cheap item which has perfect synergy with her passive.
Wasn't the greatest idea before her range was nerfed (some Orianna did this in a game that would have been an easy win if they went a more normal build), I can't envision this being at all worth it now. Nashor's is a fairly subpar item if you're not using the attack speed. Ioninan boots and blue buff max out your cooldown reduction already, and even if skip Ionian boots, Morello's Evil Tome is cheaper and gives better stats in AP and mana regen at the cost of 5% cooldown reduction (which doesn't matter if you have blue buff).
And you're probably not autoattacking during team fights all that often.
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If you want to make use of her passive in teamfights, the best item for that is Rod of Ages, l0l
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So yeah, I picked up Ori on a suggestion and she's honestly a blast. I'm sure she was much better when her Q range was 900, but I've always felt safe and like the whole AP carry/support style that she has.
I don't know how up to date the OP here is, though. I've been going Sapphire 2pot > Catalyst > Boots > RoA > Deathcap > Void, with maybe a Rylai if I'm getting focused a lot.
I also find that I can't really 1v1 anything. Like, at all. Is this just me not playing right, or am I supposed to always be with a group?
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On October 21 2011 05:05 Requizen wrote:
So yeah, I picked up Ori on a suggestion and she's honestly a blast. I'm sure she was much better when her Q range was 900, but I've always felt safe and like the whole AP carry/support style that she has.
I don't know how up to date the OP here is, though. I've been going Sapphire 2pot > Catalyst > Boots > RoA > Deathcap > Void, with maybe a Rylai if I'm getting focused a lot.
I also find that I can't really 1v1 anything. Like, at all. Is this just me not playing right, or am I supposed to always be with a group?
if your getting focused a lot i would go for zonya/abyssal/banshees/aegis/GA or FH over rylais
edit: id also look at your positioning. ori is kind of hard to focus tbh...or should be.
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when i played orianna apart from the slight bonus of her aoe dragging to the ball for some control she just felt like a super 'standard' ap character. the ball mechanic is fun and all but not really that useful. without any real cc abilities i felt like an annie with like 20% less damage. should i give her a second try or is she a love it or hate it hero? :<
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On October 21 2011 10:10 turdburgler wrote:
when i played orianna apart from the slight bonus of her aoe dragging to the ball for some control she just felt like a super 'standard' ap character. the ball mechanic is fun and all but not really that useful. without any real cc abilities i felt like an annie with like 20% less damage. should i give her a second try or is she a love it or hate it hero? :<
If you feel like annie with less damage, you're probably trying to play her the wrong way. Obviously Orianna is not as strong as an initiator and does not have quite as much burst in one rotation, but she has huge range (can reliably hit important targets while still being safe) and a ton of utility (annie cant kite entire teams, poke, or give a singed 550 ms :D) with her W and shield. Also her R used correctly is as game changing as a well placed tibbers.
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It took me a second try with orianna to get the hang of her... you have to use your ball for zone control, and play a support role. You put out a lot of damage as a support role... but you need to have that mentality until you start to see openings you can jump on. Remember to use the shield to move the ball around too.
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Orianna is fun cos she's one of the best champs for actually using all your starcraft apms and you really ahve to think about where your ball is and where it'll be if you use your skills. Keeping your ball in the right place is as important as doing the damage.
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Since I picked her up like a month ago, she has made her way to pretty much my main champion. She is so fun to play and feels really strong. I really feel she is highly underrated right now. She can be a bit tough to play properly (initially I always 'lost' my ball in teamfights not knowing where it is, because I didn't manage to pay attention to everything at once) so I guess that factors into it. I didn't play league yet at her release, so I never experienced her when she was perma ban status. Her not being as strong as before factors into her being unpopular too.
Makes me sad that the only few times I played against her was, she was being abused by bad players. Then again, I'd hate it more if she became fotm and picked and banned all the time.
According to:
http://www.lolstatistics.com/champions/all
She is the 3rd least played champion. Most underrated champ right now?
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lol wtf
urgot, eve, mundo, twitch all picked more than udyr and xerath
that makes about as much sense as me sticking my dick in a blender
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Dunno if anyone mentioned this but the ball gives scaling armor/mr to whoever has it. just would like to get this more known
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She's still really freaking good. I don't really get many kills by myself with her anymore (might be my style partly), but she's still insanely strong in teamfights. I rarely lose when I play her.
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On January 13 2012 21:56 zer0das wrote:
She's still really freaking good. I don't really get many kills by myself with her anymore (might be my style partly), but she's still insanely strong in teamfights. I rarely lose when I play her.
Her combined with another aoe ult just gets ridiculous. Kennen, Morgana, Malphite, Amumu and Fiddlesticks have great synergy with Oriannas skills. Shield them, they ult in, ori drags everying together with ult, then use w,q and e, everything is dragged together, slowed and took heavy damage.
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She's good, but the main problem about her not getting played is that she can't take a role effectively. She can either a) solo mid or b) support bot, both of which have better champions to fill the role. Taric, Sona, Soraka, and Ali can all out-sustain their bot lane, and the closest thing to her type of support (shielding) is Janna, and even Janna has much more utility than Orianna. AP Mid is just dominated by super stupid broken champs that it doesn't even matter.
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You pick Orianna when there's another good source of AP damages and you want to fill a more supporty role, especially with aiding an AoE intiator who can use the speed boost well. That shield is pretty dumb in sustained fights/long chase counter-chases. Just a bunch of sustained damage and shield with max CDR and/or blue.
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On January 14 2012 11:46 FuzzyLord wrote:
She's good, but the main problem about her not getting played is that she can't take a role effectively. She can either a) solo mid or b) support bot, both of which have better champions to fill the role. Taric, Sona, Soraka, and Ali can all out-sustain their bot lane, and the closest thing to her type of support (shielding) is Janna, and even Janna has much more utility than Orianna. AP Mid is just dominated by super stupid broken champs that it doesn't even matter.
Of course she gets outshined by support champions, because she is not a support champion. That's like play support sion, since he can stun and lifesteal for the team with his ult. She has to go mid (don't think I ever played her top, she can't control the space there with her ball since the lane is too large), and she does that well. What super stupid broken champ is a better pick than orianna? If you want a burst assassin, yeah, orianna won't fill that roll. Orianna offers good poke, utility and great teamfighting, especially with another aoe ult. She is really strong in lane as well, I barely ever lose to anyone with her, at worst it ends up in free farm.
The hardest match up might be zilean, but pretty much everyone has a hard time against him.
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You can also pick orianna when you have a strong initiator like amumu, just put your ball on him, spam your buttons and win.
Or when you want to deny the enemy baron 1v5>.>
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She is perfectly good , but underplay for many reasons:
In soloque
-More reliant on blue than anivia ( meaning u cant build her like anivia mana wise with tear / catalyst or u do no damage mid game , while anivia just has a strong base nuke )
-Harder to play than most champs
-Not fotm , people would rather play easier , stronger champions to gain elo up to some point.
Serious 5v5 there are stronger champions , altough i feel that she might be a good addition to the double ap/wota meta that has been getting popular again recently.
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I don't know why people say she has mana problems, I really don't feel that way. You obviously can't keep spamming your spells, but no one with mana really can. 2 or 3 dorans or a catalyst are usually enough mana to harass and farm with for me.
If I'd solo queue and try to gain elo, I'd probably not pick Orianna either to be honest. I'd either go Swain/Ryze and try to get fed enough to fight 3 people on my own, or go Leblanc/Sion/Kassadin and gank all day to win all the lanes.
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