EPT[Champion] Orianna - Page 3
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
Spamming all spells as soon as they are up: 0 sec: QWER: 380 (mana used total) 4 sec: Q: 440 8 sec: Q: 500 9 sec: WE: 670 12 sec: Q: 730 16 sec: Q: 790 18 sec: WE: 960 20 sec: Q: 1020 24 sec: Q: 1080 27 sec: E: 1140 If you had no regen, you'd be oom here. But 27 sec have passed. 3 DRings + 3/3 Meditation + natural regen gives you 30 MP5. So after 27 sec you have regained 165 mana, so you now have 175 mana left over. 27 sec: W: 110 28 sec: Q: 170 Now you're officially oom. After 30 seconds of constantly spamming every single of your abilities. Sure at some levels you use a bigger percentage of your max mana for each cast, I'd guess lvl 9 would be the worst (11 and 16 are not worse than others as the ult lvl up only increases the cost by as much as your max mana increases and you only cast your ult once per fight). But then again you typically don't spam all your abilites as soon as they are available either. | ||
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Therealdevil
Netherlands1021 Posts
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On July 22 2011 23:11 spinesheath wrote: (quoting you looked stupid, we all can see your post anyway =P) You are assuming a) No CDR and b) full mana pool in the first place. Without mana items a single QW combo to farm a creepwave already costs you a whooping 15% of your total mana pool. Throw in an EW to shrug off a poke or get better positioning and you're already in major mana trouble since you already blew 1/3rd of your total mana. Since farming a lot quickly and buffing her team here and there are huge strenths of Orianna, I feel that those builds completely reduce her to something she isn't by default: A pure AP burst caster. Don't know really, I keep trying the DRing -> Deathcap build and I keep feeling like a worse version than Annie for the above reasons. Edit: Actually, let me change my original question.. what is your mindset when playing Drings -> Deathcap builds? Is it "I will get off 1-2 bursts and do enough damage so my team clean up."? That might explain why I'm failing so hard with it, 'cause mine is more like "Get the maximum out of buffs/debuffs on everyone, whenever possible while nuking people if possible." - I think I actually focus more on helping my tanky dps shred their targets than to target people myself. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
For example: Malzahar goes oom after 18 seconds without bonus mana. Anivia goes oom after 8 seconds without bonus mana. Simply said: Orianna's mana costs are low compared to her base mana. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23463 Posts
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Prisoner
United States39 Posts
On July 22 2011 21:28 TheYango wrote: Cata > Tear. Even if you're getting both (and you shouldn't need both unless you're not getting blue buffs, getting Cata levelups from levels 6-10 is way stronger than getting a few more Tear stacks. Ill try cata first then next time I will still get tear for AA later on. | ||
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Lanzoma
Mexico813 Posts
You can easily, easily, EASILY kill the bot laners with a burst rotation + ignite, and leave either solo / jungler with about 30%-50% hp. You need to treat your ult like Annie, waiting for a great opening and blowing them all up. I only use my skills defensively like you mention when it's obvious we lost the teamfight and we need to cut down our losses, or in small skirmishes. I might upload a replay later today, although I only have replays with cata opening...my play-style is pretty much the same tho. | ||
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Lanzoma
Mexico813 Posts
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3881391/replay_23-07-11_12-27-30.lrf I play alright save for a super herp derp moment where I try to bait arrow and zhonyas it and instead end up shielding myself out of habit. But basically it's just to show the playstyle of the build path. | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
edit: works as advertised :| also i'd love to see more replays in general, could be a nice addition to the op | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
Add some general information about the replay (short 2-3 sentence comment, elo, server etc.) and I'll add it in the OP. | ||
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Morphx2
147 Posts
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Simple
United States801 Posts
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Lanzoma
Mexico813 Posts
On July 24 2011 19:07 starfries wrote: lol nice flash ganks on bottom. Although you'd think they would start warding the tri bush after the first one. One thing I noticed that you do differently is that you had deathcap, or at least the components, before buying boots 2, so I'll try that out. edit: works as advertised :| also i'd love to see more replays in general, could be a nice addition to the op Heh thanks, I was actually purposely hunting for those opportunities because I've been playing too passive lately. I often finish dcap before finishing boots 2, because if my hunch is correct, it gives the most damage come midgame. I'll do the actual math later today tho, I'm curious now. I'll look through my replays and see if there's another good one. On July 25 2011 03:29 r.Evo wrote: Yeah, I started trying to think I'm Annie and not the spambot I started to love Orianna for - working since then. Personally right now I'm going for RoA versions when I expect to be exposed to burst a lot, the Deathcap versions any other time. Add some general information about the replay (short 2-3 sentence comment, elo, server etc.) and I'll add it in the OP. 1850~ US Server game, blue side, using the dring stack into dcap build path. Went mid-lane vs ???*, ganked bottom lane a few times and overall had some good teamfights with only 1 or 2 big mistakes. *please confirm for me, I don't remember and can't check atm On July 28 2011 03:59 Simple wrote: im just starting out with orianna and im doing terrible with her. i think last two games ive combined for 1/10/20 or something along that stat line. ive been starting philostone, but i think im gonna just rush tears until im much more comfortable with her abilities Start mana crystal + pots into catalyst if you're just starting out, and just focus on farming safely by applying pressure with your skills. You shouldn't die much as Orianna, abuse your range and the fact that your Ult is such a strong threat in teamfights. Tear will just make you easy to kill and easy to ignore. | ||
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Microchaton
France342 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
Every now and then I look like a total tard cause I'll try to ult people while fleeing and whoops, the ball teleported right before I clicked it and i miss everyone. Or I shield myself but die before the ball gets to me but if I'd just walked like another 2 steps and THEN shielded me I'd have lived because it would have warped and been instant. Derp. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3890 Posts
On July 28 2011 08:24 Haemonculus wrote: Learning exactly when your ball teleports back to you is apparently a really good skill to have. Every now and then I look like a total tard cause I'll try to ult people while fleeing and whoops, the ball teleported right before I clicked it and i miss everyone. Or I shield myself but die before the ball gets to me but if I'd just walked like another 2 steps and THEN shielded me I'd have lived because it would have warped and been instant. Derp. It's ok I do this all the time too.  Especially the ult part why I'm running away. | ||
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Lanzoma
Mexico813 Posts
Does anybody else have this problem? | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
@Everyone: Feel free to submit replays with the format posted in the OP if you feel you had a particular well-played Orianna game. Please make sure to have your links sorted out, I'm not gonna proofwatch/reupload unless it seems to become necessary. | ||
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