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On September 29 2011 10:13 Daenius wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 16:38 kemoryan wrote:
I always had the feeling that Rageblade doesn't cover Jax's need for attack speed. The thing is, since teamfights don't last too long, with normal builds and even with Rageblade his attack speed will be too slow (stacks will be low) thus making him more of a burst champion and less of a burst+sustained damage champion which I think he has potential at.
Wouldn't it be worth it to just buy something like a recurve bow right after hextech (or hextech+rageblade) and then proceed with normal ap/ad+tanky build?. Rageblade just gives him a good amount of AD and AP stats and the gold efficiency is just awesome for Jax. If you think about it, it breaks even at I think 1 or 2 stacks? In team fights you'll typically be using your skills alot, so you will get quite a few stacks right off the bat. For example you Q, hit, W (includes a hit), hit... that's 5 stacks right there, and you'll be using your E very often Now I do agree that there are situations in which you would skip the rageblade. Gunblade is absolutely core but Wits end, for example, is still a nice item to have as it gives you MR and 40% AS right away... you do miss out on the health and AD/AP you get from GRB though, that's why usually GRB is still preferred unless the game really calls for a different AS item... You should also note that most AS items in the game do not provide good AD or AP for Jax... =(
Then what about buying both. or something like GRB+recurve? The nature of stacks (both his ulti and rageblade) is that the rate at which more stacks are gained increases exponentially (however, with quite a slow start), so having higher attackspeed from the beginning will in theory make you skip most of that slow start (or actually, making that exponential curve steeper). I can't play much so I hae no chance to test any of this... might end up doing the math itself if I find the time.
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Has anyone ever tried manamune, warmogs, atmas, and rod of ages? I know it would be absurdly expensive.
I can give a good reason why it sucks: it spends tons of money getting tons of HP but if you just bought armor or MR the hp you got would be a lot more useful. I just want to know if its been thought of yet.
edit: http://leaguecraft.com/builder/Jax/?items=61,7,112,16&level=18 http://leaguecraft.com/builder/Jax/?items=48,48,48,48,48,48&level=18
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On September 30 2011 06:59 kemoryan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 10:13 Daenius wrote:On September 28 2011 16:38 kemoryan wrote:
I always had the feeling that Rageblade doesn't cover Jax's need for attack speed. The thing is, since teamfights don't last too long, with normal builds and even with Rageblade his attack speed will be too slow (stacks will be low) thus making him more of a burst champion and less of a burst+sustained damage champion which I think he has potential at.
Wouldn't it be worth it to just buy something like a recurve bow right after hextech (or hextech+rageblade) and then proceed with normal ap/ad+tanky build?. Rageblade just gives him a good amount of AD and AP stats and the gold efficiency is just awesome for Jax. If you think about it, it breaks even at I think 1 or 2 stacks? In team fights you'll typically be using your skills alot, so you will get quite a few stacks right off the bat. For example you Q, hit, W (includes a hit), hit... that's 5 stacks right there, and you'll be using your E very often Now I do agree that there are situations in which you would skip the rageblade. Gunblade is absolutely core but Wits end, for example, is still a nice item to have as it gives you MR and 40% AS right away... you do miss out on the health and AD/AP you get from GRB though, that's why usually GRB is still preferred unless the game really calls for a different AS item... You should also note that most AS items in the game do not provide good AD or AP for Jax... =( Then what about buying both. or something like GRB+recurve? The nature of stacks (both his ulti and rageblade) is that the rate at which more stacks are gained increases exponentially (however, with quite a slow start), so having higher attackspeed from the beginning will in theory make you skip most of that slow start (or actually, making that exponential curve steeper). I can't play much so I hae no chance to test any of this... might end up doing the math itself if I find the time.
As long as you are not overcapping your attackspeed I think GRB + recurve item is fine... but of course.. that's a lot of money =P most recurve items are around 2k gold and as Jax.. once you have your gunblade and GRB (or hell, even just gunblade) you would want to start buying defensive items already, so I think the recurve item after the GRB is pretty much going to be a luxury item
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On October 02 2011 15:08 Attakijing wrote:Has anyone ever tried manamune, warmogs, atmas, and rod of ages? I know it would be absurdly expensive. I can give a good reason why it sucks: it spends tons of money getting tons of HP but if you just bought armor or MR the hp you got would be a lot more useful. I just want to know if its been thought of yet. edit: http://leaguecraft.com/builder/Jax/?items=61,7,112,16&level=18 http://leaguecraft.com/builder/Jax/?items=48,48,48,48,48,48&level=18
Atmog is pretty strong on Jax actually. But the stat of 273 AD at lvl 18 with such a pricey build just sounds not very satisfying. The upside is that you have 4.5K HP... <_< The manamune also probably doesnt help, as there are just way better AD items and Jax doesn't really need all THAT much mana, and this sucker takes forever to charge on Jax. The RoA... same thing... that's a butt load of mana that you don't really need and only gives you like +15 AD at its max bonus... I guess when you stack it with the total bonus of the manamune it makes the manamune worth it?
I think the main problem with this build is the amount of time it takes to get it going.. haha... charge RoA... charge warmogs... charge manamune.... you are in for a 1 hour+ game xDDDD You also don't have much attackspeed to help you charge up your ultimate faster so you probably going to have trouble getting your rotation off in team fights... Also, by the time you get these items I think the enemy probably figured they gonna troll you with stuff like SOTD + MBR... and if you have time to farm and charge up those 4 items? they definitely have the time to buy those 2 items to counter you =P
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rod of ages atmas actually sounds hilarious... I dunno though, gunblade is so overbuffed right now it feels like it's the only build :<
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Atmogs is cool. But getting health through gunblade, and then being invincible cuz of lifesteal and spellvamp is cooler.
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Atma's after buying gunblade + rageblade is pretty good. Jax gets so much HP from building damage items that Atma's gives a considerable amount of damage even without warmog's, frozen mallet or other HP items that are common to build together with Atma's on other champions.
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On October 04 2011 03:23 Two_DoWn wrote:
Atmogs is cool. But getting health through gunblade, and then being invincible cuz of lifesteal and spellvamp is cooler.
When you're the guy who goes in first atmogs makes a lot of sense because warmogs is only slightly cheaper than gunblade and its not like the team can ignore you, might as well be unkillable as well.
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I dont like GRB on jax at all. The as is pretty bad because of jax's ult and ap and ad are just meh. Sure its cost efficient but the stat gains are not big. Tbh I'd just get 2nd gunblade.
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banshee veil/gunblade/atma's OP core. boots depends on game for me, ive done tabis, mercs, sometimes even sorcs.
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Well, my default build is, tabi/sword of divine/rageblade/hextech/atma/frozen mullet. I prefer to have sword of divine to speed up the stacking process of rageblade and jax's ulti instead of wit's end.
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Leviathan, soto and mejais on jax vs beginner bots, try it out, was pretty fun :D
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On October 04 2011 04:58 epoc wrote:
I dont like GRB on jax at all. The as is pretty bad because of jax's ult and ap and ad are just meh. Sure its cost efficient but the stat gains are not big. Tbh I'd just get 2nd gunblade.
what
grb is superb on jax, its cost efficient, and it is a good buffer for stacks when you lose your ult stacks, you just those back much faster with a stacked GRB.
I dont get your problem with it <.<
if you have a full inventory you can always sell it later for something
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Gunblade nerf is coming next patch.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Y8wEG.jpg)
So Jax will be up for some new experimentation. what are some alternative builds?
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wow I did not expect 20!!! damage less on GB. I expected it to be at most 10 damage. This item is overnerfed imo. It is still decent on akali/jax as a fourth/fifth item i guess but these kind of changes make me doubt riots abilities.
Here's what there thought-process most likely was: "let's make the item on par with non-hybrid items' costeffectiveness."
But they forget that deathcap, IE and PD scale up pure AP/AD builds so effectively that you won't ever buy this item anymore after you've done the math.
I guess we will see pure AP builds on akali and pure AD-Tank or AP-Tank builds (aside from rageblade) on jax.
I mean everything else seems ok but -20 damage is just way too much.
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Wow, that got nerfed pretty hard.
Shit, so you get +5 AD, +30 AP, and +5% spellvamp for upgrading to gunblade. The active is still the same, but the active is the least important part of the item anyway.
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the active is awesome on characters like jax who have no slow. if you need to q to clean up a kill it leaves you a sitting duck against anyone else
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The problem with delaying gunblade is that the active is relatively more powerful the earlier you get it (the damage doesn't scale). I was trying rageblade first this week, but I kept finding myself in need some sort of sustain in lane since so many other top-laners have some (I almost never see pantheon/jarvan, and rumble usually rushes a revolver).
I may have to eat my words and reconsider lantern jax. But first I'll try dyrus's teleport/flash build 
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Is Gunblade worth getting? I'm trying no gunblade Jax going wriggles, rage blade, frozen mallet, atmas.
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Gunblade's still pretty good. It's not going to make you invincible like it used to, but it still provides a hefty amount of sustain, health, and damage. Plus, it's active is still stupid good.
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