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BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
November 16 2011 22:46 GMT
#141
Shouldn't he be zeradin or something like that? It's zeratuel who can blink and had a psyblade not tassadar who's a high templar :o
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
D u o
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada381 Posts
December 01 2011 19:00 GMT
#142
Anyone have good reps of farming properly in a solo lane and dual lane. I always come out of the laning phase under farmed. Also is it good to delay a rabadons for 2 blasting wands and a needlessly large rod? [Considering the recipe price is 200 more than the second blasting wand and it's something I'll need later in my build.]
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11766 Posts
December 01 2011 19:04 GMT
#143
Kassadin rarely farms well, that's his big bottleneck and why I think he's pretty trashy, especially with the range nerf. You can see diatribes on this over the history of this thread. There is no solution that anyone's come up with, except to play him as a counterpick. He blows bottom lane by the way, with the possible exception of a duo lane with Soraka, but even that usually isn't enough anymore.
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D u o
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada381 Posts
December 01 2011 19:12 GMT
#144
Well I've just been doing him in soloq or dualq against baddies. I know he's hard to farm with I just enjoy his play. I come out of the laning phase with 30-40 cs but idk it just doesn't seem like its enough even to get the character started, and his ability to kill doesn't really kick in until 6 or 7 and by that time I've very little mana left because I've been forced to q farm so I can't rely on champion kills to fix the money problem. Like I know the problems with the champions and i'm not doing draft pick because I'm not really trying to learn the strategy of characters I'm just trying to work on my own game and that doesn't really matter who I go up against. Of course I'm not going to mid against someone who destroys me, hence why I go bot. If I'm not mid i'm in a dual lane because everyone refuses to jungle even with this newest patch. xD;;

Farming problem aside, do you think its smart to just delay a few of the expensive recipe costs by filling with lesser items that serve the same purpose that I'll need later?
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11766 Posts
December 01 2011 19:25 GMT
#145
You should have over 100 CS after laning; the issue is that the disparity against a bad matchup can look like 170 vs 100 and then your team is usually fucked. You have to Q down the opponent but his range nerf really killed his viability, he'll lose to almost every hero now. It was all he had going for him. There's nothing else I can really say on the topic beyond what's been said in this thread before.

As for items, that's more a itemization philosophy you could ask in the general discussion thread. As a tank/support player I favor always buying little items, and have been teased endless by Neo for it in the past where I'll have a full inventory of parts of like 3 items that I never get around to finishing, because I always prioritize "what I need now" than big items. But again, that's just player philosophy and style, at least in my opinion anyways.
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D u o
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada381 Posts
December 01 2011 19:27 GMT
#146
Hm Ok thanks.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11766 Posts
December 01 2011 19:30 GMT
#147
No problem~ hope it helped :>
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
December 01 2011 19:31 GMT
#148
Id like to see them make Kassadin ranged, but it hink that'd be a bit op, yeah?
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11766 Posts
December 01 2011 19:33 GMT
#149
He has a pretty sick kit due to R, so yeah, it'd be OP. At the very least they'd have to nerf his ratios across the board, and they already aren't that fantastic. I think he's one of those heroes where one of his skills is so blatantly powerful that they have a hard time really balancing him, so they'd much prefer him be weak than be able to shit all over 1/3 the heroes in the game and end up being an annoying prick because of it.
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Haato
Profile Joined March 2011
Mexico81 Posts
December 01 2011 19:44 GMT
#150
Just switch and play Leblanc. Laning against one with flat AP was like fighting kassadin all over again!
she would Q poke me from level 1 and it hurt
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D u o
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada381 Posts
December 01 2011 19:52 GMT
#151
Wasn't it like that when eve had her stun and just ruined the game? I think everyone enjoys Kass because he's such an in and out assassin. At least that's why I really enjoy him. If I play him really good I go games without dying until I get really greedy or commit fully into a team fight and even then I'm literally the last one dead. Then again I'm probably not playing him nearly at the highest level, but I like characters that have unlimited potential based off of how good you as a player are and not using the character as a crutch. I feel like I have all of those things as Kass. I mean flashes, a silence, and a slow coupled with cleanse just in case they really hate you. It's super fun. Just frustrated at mainly ranged dps or tanky characters where I have to spend all my mana on farming and once I'm able to deal damage back I can't do it because of the lack of mana. It just doesn't feel proper at the moment. However I have faith in riot. Eventually Kass, eventually. x__x;
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11766 Posts
December 01 2011 19:59 GMT
#152
Nah, I liked him for the exact same reasons. But I also understood that he was borderline OP for the same reasons. I quit him back when ranged AD became really powerful and just DBlade'd him out of lanes because I couldn't stand just flat-out losing lanes. That R is just too strong overall for him to be balanced easily.
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D u o
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada381 Posts
December 01 2011 20:16 GMT
#153
Yeah so I don't understand why they don't increase mana costs on the R but give him some laning capability. I mean once I have a blue I NEVER run out of mana, its disgusting. So why not rework r? I guess I already know the answer, but still idk. >:| I want to use a blink stalker in LOL DAMNIT! >:O
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Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
December 02 2011 07:21 GMT
#154
So I just played kass (semi-drunk), and gotta HELLA fucked up by a jarvan in lane. Fortunately I got carried to victory.

Laning mid vs a jarv is a once in a lifetime thing i'd imagine... and this was my first time as kass. Just curious, how is the matchup sposed to go? I couldnt bring myself to only CS with Q, I'm too used to characters with stronger early games.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11766 Posts
December 02 2011 14:21 GMT
#155
On December 02 2011 16:21 Dgiese wrote:
So I just played kass (semi-drunk), and gotta HELLA fucked up by a jarvan in lane. Fortunately I got carried to victory.

Laning mid vs a jarv is a once in a lifetime thing i'd imagine... and this was my first time as kass. Just curious, how is the matchup sposed to go? I couldnt bring myself to only CS with Q, I'm too used to characters with stronger early games.


Jarv has two jumps so he fucks you up.
Running my full anti-bruiser set mentioned somewhere in the last page I think may alleviate things, but I've never tried.
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HavokTheorem
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
New Zealand250 Posts
December 27 2011 22:05 GMT
#156
Kassadin is pretty good at farming with a Hextech Revolver and Wit's End. The spell vamp and increased attack speed work very well with his W to chop up creeps and dish damage to champions who think they can take you because you are just meleeing them.
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-27 23:16:33
December 27 2011 23:15 GMT
#157
On December 28 2011 07:05 HavokTheorem wrote:
Kassadin is pretty good at farming with a Hextech Revolver and Wit's End. The spell vamp and increased attack speed work very well with his W to chop up creeps and dish damage to champions who think they can take you because you are just meleeing them.

Yah I've tried a semi-trolly tanky dps build on kass with atmogs and triforce seeing how kass has the highest base dmg in game after cho and skarner. His passive gives him aspd too. It actually works very well once u get your core. Only problem is that doing so basically ignores half his kit and further gimps his laning, especially against competent players. Also, I don't think spellvamp works with his w. I'll check it but generally spellvamp doesn't work with those kinds of abilities.
HavokTheorem
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
New Zealand250 Posts
December 28 2011 06:18 GMT
#158
On December 28 2011 08:15 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 07:05 HavokTheorem wrote:
Kassadin is pretty good at farming with a Hextech Revolver and Wit's End. The spell vamp and increased attack speed work very well with his W to chop up creeps and dish damage to champions who think they can take you because you are just meleeing them.

Yah I've tried a semi-trolly tanky dps build on kass with atmogs and triforce seeing how kass has the highest base dmg in game after cho and skarner. His passive gives him aspd too. It actually works very well once u get your core. Only problem is that doing so basically ignores half his kit and further gimps his laning, especially against competent players. Also, I don't think spellvamp works with his w. I'll check it but generally spellvamp doesn't work with those kinds of abilities.

Nope, I'm certain it works. It's magic damage. Unless I am magically healing every time I hit, it works.
The truth does not require your approval.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
December 28 2011 06:25 GMT
#159
On December 28 2011 15:18 HavokTheorem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 08:15 Ryuu314 wrote:
On December 28 2011 07:05 HavokTheorem wrote:
Kassadin is pretty good at farming with a Hextech Revolver and Wit's End. The spell vamp and increased attack speed work very well with his W to chop up creeps and dish damage to champions who think they can take you because you are just meleeing them.

Yah I've tried a semi-trolly tanky dps build on kass with atmogs and triforce seeing how kass has the highest base dmg in game after cho and skarner. His passive gives him aspd too. It actually works very well once u get your core. Only problem is that doing so basically ignores half his kit and further gimps his laning, especially against competent players. Also, I don't think spellvamp works with his w. I'll check it but generally spellvamp doesn't work with those kinds of abilities.

Nope, I'm certain it works. It's magic damage. Unless I am magically healing every time I hit, it works.

I believe you. Whether or not it's magic damage has no bearing on whether spell vamp is applied. Spell vamp works off of all activated abilities and spells regardless of what type of damage it deals, but it only works off activated spells/abilities. It doesn't work off passive skills like Fizz's W or Oriana's passive.
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
December 28 2011 08:22 GMT
#160
On December 28 2011 08:15 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 07:05 HavokTheorem wrote:
Kassadin is pretty good at farming with a Hextech Revolver and Wit's End. The spell vamp and increased attack speed work very well with his W to chop up creeps and dish damage to champions who think they can take you because you are just meleeing them.

Yah I've tried a semi-trolly tanky dps build on kass with atmogs and triforce seeing how kass has the highest base dmg in game after cho and skarner. His passive gives him aspd too. It actually works very well once u get your core. Only problem is that doing so basically ignores half his kit and further gimps his laning, especially against competent players. Also, I don't think spellvamp works with his w. I'll check it but generally spellvamp doesn't work with those kinds of abilities.


those pseudo dps hybrid builds used to work sooo much better when he did APen on his w. I used to troll around with a manamune, gextech hunblade, triforce build. Tho, i guess an on-hit centric build might actually be interesting (wits, razors, etc). It's kinda silly, but then again, trying to make an ap build work in increasingly poor matchups is a bit silly too
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