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wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
July 06 2011 21:49 GMT
#101
if you can land the Q's you get a speed boost and then she isn't too slow
BW -> League -> CSGO
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
July 06 2011 23:16 GMT
#102
On July 05 2011 11:43 Odds wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 07:33 spinesheath wrote:
On July 05 2011 06:35 Odds wrote:
On July 05 2011 06:13 Slayer91 wrote:
I played vs casseopia in lane, thought I'd be pretty east as annie.
Went 0/6 in lane. With fiddle constantly ganking and getting kills a couple of times.
If she hit her slow poison then she just hit her other poison and then run up and kill me in 3 twin fangs, shit was so OP.

Of course I went 16/9/12 because annie is overpowered especially with fiddle and double book, tower dive all day.

I think spell vamp is probably important on her, her DPS is retarded I don't know how we haven't seen her more. A classic AP nuke with a 0.5 second CD has to be strong.

spell vamp is nice, but it's not your first priority. Basically you need

doran's ring
tear
sorc shoes
rylai's

and then think about spell vamp. pretty much choose between wota and moonflair i think. Both are good but you really need deathcap probably.

Just like Mercs are typically bad on ranged AD, Spellblade is bad on Cass.
Is there even any champ who would want Spellblade...?


It might be bad, I've only gotten it once. Either way, it's really low on her priority list.

That said, if anyone should get it, it's probably Cass- what with that whole DPS AP thing and all. You're right though I think: Zhonyas or QSS probably better.



Okay, so, cass guide.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SET YOUR E TO SMARTCAST

Example game, I had a real bad start but pulled it out with some ganks. Maybe i'll make a pack later:

http://www.filefactory.com/file/cc299dd/n/Bad_start_vs_mf.lrf

The below assumes you're solo mid!

VVVVVVVVVVVV

0/8/22. If you complain about this, urbad. The slut really needs the hp regen from SoS, and because you're getting tear, you'll have plenty.

Flash/Teleport. Flash = an escape and ultimate positioning tool for your, uh, ultimate.

Someone will probably give me flak about teleport, but it's really really essential in soloq. Because Cass is an insanely good chaser and cleanup hero, you want to show up to every gank attempt on another lane and hopefully collect the double/triple kills. Usually when you show up the enemies' cc will already be gone and you can just dps damage everything to death.

Runes

Red: mpen
Yellow: flat mana regen
blue: flat AP
quint: flat AP

The flat mana regen and AP probably seems silly to some. I don't really care. It maximizes your effectiveness at the single most important time of the game for you: levels 1-5. The extra AP from these runes as well as your Dring will increase the damage on your Q by 35, which is HUGE for harassing someone out of the lane or getting a kill.

People to avoid laning against:

Kass. He will rape you.
Annie/malz will give you a rough time but you can go evenly against them.\

people who you should rape:
everyone else.

Items, not really negotiable:

Dring
Sorc shoes
Tear
Rylai's
AA/Deathcap/wota in whatever order you please. Then like, whatever

Dring obvious, gotta capitalize on those first few levels. Sorc shoes also obvious. Tear also obvious: you get better use out of it than anyone else in the game, including Karthus. Rylai's makes you uncatchable, inescapable, unkillable. Rest give AP.

The timing of the tear sort of works out so that you get it at roughly the same time that your mana regen runes lose their lustre. Yay, planning ahead!

Gameplay:

Rape your lane. Hit him with a Q every time he goes in for a last hit, comes in to harass you, or runs away from you in a predictable line. Follow Q's with E's - if they're running they'll usually be under their tower and you can hit them with another Q. Bait jungle ganks from Udyr, kite him and receive double buff.

Use teleport to gank, NOT to return to your lane. Farm as much as possible but not at the expense of having your godly teleport on cooldown.

You have the most underestimated ult in the game. When a teamfight starts, keep to the edges using your Q and W until most of the enemy CC is down or someone on your team initiates with an AoE stun or something. Best example: amumu ult. Mumu ults, enemy team is disabled for 2s, you hit the ezmode followup ult and they're stunned for another 2 and probably all dead.

In fights,just hit with your spells really. People are really really easy to hit with Q when they're running away, you should almost never miss even blind Q's. Keep as much space between you and opponents as possible unless you *know* you can kill em and get away, then close it up to increase your DPS - E refreshes when it hits, and takes longer to hit from farther away.

KS like a boss.


Ok you have to answer a few things for me because I build her differently:
0/8/22 over 9/0/21, why exactly?
Tear, why? I suppose I could understand it if you're going to be spamming Q a lot but honestly farming with Q sucks early levels; great for harass but E is far superior harass.

No RoA rush, why? Without early Cata she is unbelievably vulnerable to ganks from anyone except Udyr and even then without that health regen (SoS is inferior to Cata regen imo) she can easily be harassed out of lane at early levels.

The rest I more or less agree with, though not having watched your game (yet) I don't know what your leveling skill order is.

Answer me these questions three, if you will. Cass is one of fave champs and I would love further discussion.
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Odds
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada1188 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 00:55:51
July 07 2011 00:52 GMT
#103
0.8.22 is personal preference. I have always felt that the 15% spellpen is wildly overrated and you do need some sort of regen in the lane. It also synergizes very well with your Tear.
As for said tear, you really do need it because without it you *will* run out of mana at some inconvenient point. Even if for some reason you aren't harassing with Q in the lane constantly, which you absolutely should be, you desperately need the mana to properly dps dragon and baron. You do more damage to dragon and baron than any other champ in the game, you need to capitalize on it.

Don't use your flash aggressively if you can help it. Ganks can be tough to deal with, but you should usually be able to escape with your flash, ult, or both.

The reason I level Q first and Q and E fully before W is that W is frankly kind of bad pre-rylais, with IRA low damage, small slow, and high cd. It has a good ap ratio though which means that my rylais makes it legit useful from the moment I level it.

As for harassing in the lane with Q over E, I do both. Q is one of the longest range, easiest to hit skills in the game, so you can usually just stand in the creeps and nail your opponent every time he does anything. Dry E's have their place too (slowing down teemo, after a combo instead of risking a missed Q, etc) but just not as important as Q.
Odds.633, AM. Plat level currently. Would love more practice partners, add me, let's play!
Khelevaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine34 Posts
July 19 2011 20:35 GMT
#104
I just started playing her. More often than not i find myself pushing the lane hard starting from level 4, when i can w -> q to kill the ranged minions. I usually ward the side brush to avoid ganks and just constantly keep the minions towards their tower. Is this the standard playstyle? Or do you just save nukes for the champions? He attack animation and damage are pretty low, I'm having trouble last hitting with just attacks.
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
July 22 2011 21:28 GMT
#105
I just discovered another nemesis for Cass.

AP sololane Yi. Ohhhh my god.
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
Celestial
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States652 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 21:36:11
July 22 2011 21:35 GMT
#106
To be fair ap yi screws a lot of people over without solid sustain.
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