Also RIGHT before they changed the masteries Honver and I spent about an hour fine tuning a lv 1 dragon strat on shaco. That shit was SO LEGIT until they patched and now it's useless looooool.

0123456789

United States3216 Posts

December 25 2011 15:53 GMT

#303

Things you can do better from the vid that 5hitcombo posted. If you give up that stupid quint bonus exp, you can get to lvl 3 off one lane creep. That's not hard. I'd rather get another quint than bonus exp. Blues, change atk speed blues for either cdr or ap, You can get to 10 ap off partial blue runes and 1 ap quint than 2 ap quints. I think this is better than some crappy atk speed bonus. With Micro, you can get to red by 25 seconds. Boxes last 90 seconds, 5 seconds if they activate fear. YOu can potentially shave approximately 4 seconds from that video by doing that. CDR blues and the cdr 4% offensive mastery allows you to get to wolves before 1:40.

jtype

England2167 Posts

December 25 2011 17:53 GMT

#304

On December 25 2011 17:52 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Also RIGHT before they changed the masteries Honver and I spent about an hour fine tuning a lv 1 dragon strat on shaco. That shit was SO LEGIT until they patched and now it's useless looooool.

Hmm.. I was asking people what they thought about that here (or maybe it was the EU LP?) and everyone just shut it down saying that it wouldn't put you far enough ahead to be worth it.

SHr3DD3r

Pakistan2137 Posts

December 25 2011 18:20 GMT

#305

The main reason people might have been against it was probably due to the Exp Quint. I will try out what numbers mentioned - but I never really had the need for it though. Plus Shaco banned all the time

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AsianEcksDragon

United States1036 Posts

January 19 2012 13:39 GMT

#306

So after the box duration nerf you can only cast 4 boxes before the jungle spawns. This is what I've been doing.

1) 4 boxes at small golem starting at ~0:45. This gives your first box a good 5 seconds to deal damage before expiring.
2) Do small golem as soon as it spawns and have a teammate be on standby to leash red.
3) Have teammate leash lizard. Make sure to backstab the lizard while it's still leashed. Clear red with box + smite.
4) Wraiths, Wolves then Blue. Your smite should be back up by then.

Clear time ~3:20-3:25

Nos-

Canada12016 Posts

February 09 2012 16:40 GMT

#307

How does one deal with an enemy jungle shaco? I very often solo queue ranked as Ahri, and when Shaco shows up at lvl2 with a red buff i find it hard to escape even with Flash. Past 6 I can get away easier with my ult but if he ganks other lanes it's still very hard to deal with. Do I just ward more often and pray to god that someone's paying attention? He can also deceive over walls which is very annoying to deal with whether he's using it for a surprise gank or as an escape tool.

Zdrastochye

Ivory Coast6262 Posts

February 09 2012 16:59 GMT

#308

Rather easy answer is to just play passive the first three levels. Had to learn that top lane when Lee Sin's level 2 gank strength was abused every game. Don't force trades really early on, and if you start getting zoned just ask for your jungler to come after wraiths before you miss out on too much cs.

nFxion

United States57 Posts

February 09 2012 17:15 GMT

#309

I would think that you are overextended at that point if he ganks lvl 2? I mean ive done lvl2 shaco ganks but most people will be out of range to escape that;;

ibreakurface

United States664 Posts

April 03 2012 18:02 GMT

#310

So I've been trying out shaco and I have a problem with sustain in the jungle. To my knowledge he supposed to gank a ton correct? Well after doing 3-4 camps I'm always too low to attack a lane without risking death.

Also, around late mid-game shaco gets ultra squish and can basically be one shot by anyone, how do you guys counter this? If he makes defensive items does he become useless?

SagaZ

France3460 Posts

April 03 2012 18:20 GMT

#311

Can you still see the blink animation even when he is in fog of war / bushes?

Alaric

France45622 Posts

April 03 2012 19:14 GMT

#312

Yes, if you talk about the orange puff.

Strykemard

168 Posts

April 12 2012 04:40 GMT

#313

On April 04 2012 03:02 ibreakurface wrote:
So I've been trying out shaco and I have a problem with sustain in the jungle. To my knowledge he supposed to gank a ton correct? Well after doing 3-4 camps I'm always too low to attack a lane without risking death.

Also, around late mid-game shaco gets ultra squish and can basically be one shot by anyone, how do you guys counter this? If he makes defensive items does he become useless?

I think you might be making a mistake in your JitB placement. You might have to wait for the cd to place 2 JitB for some camps so that they tank and the creeps die by then. If that doesnt help you have to go to the old school method of porting back or getting more pots. His hp pool is fairly low so you can pot up to almost full health easily.

lIlIlIlIlIlI

Korea (South)3851 Posts

April 19 2012 05:39 GMT

#314

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SidianTheBard

United States2475 Posts

April 19 2012 05:47 GMT

#315

Started off With W (Jack in the box), buy boots + 3 pots.

Run to your wraiths, place 1 box at 0:43 seconds.

Everytime your box cooldown is up place it ontop of exactly where the Red lizard will spawn. You'll be able to get 3 down and it'll be about 1:35 or so. Go over to wraiths, they'll spawn at 1:40. They'll get feared, dps down the big wraith. You should be able to kill 1 or maybe 2 of the small wraiths (depending if you crit at all or more backstab attacks), when it gets to about 1:52 or so start to run towards your Red. (There will still be 1 or 2 small wraiths up, this is okay, tell your Mid to clear them out when he gets a chance)

Red will spawn, your boxes will fear, immediately place another box while the fear is happening. Kill this whole camp WITHOUT using smite. Put a point into Q.

Make your way over to blue, Use your W to place a box over the wall so it spawns almost on top of Blue. Use Q and wait for the box to fear Blue. Open up on blue. You'll be able to use your smite here, clear the whole camp.

You are now level 3 at about 2:40 or so. Immediately go towards top or bottom (depending if you are blue/purple) or mid. If the gank fails go to the next lane, then the next, then the next.

Honestly for the next couple of minutes (while you still have the lizard buffs) you should be running lane to lane to lane trying to gank.

lIlIlIlIlIlI

Korea (South)3851 Posts

April 19 2012 05:49 GMT

#316

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SidianTheBard

United States2475 Posts

April 19 2012 05:58 GMT

#317

Depends, if I get a gank or two early I'll go back, grab a couple hp pots and buy a brutalizer. This is such a huge boost to your damage especially if you can get it by say the 5 minute mark. At that point you can start to counter jungle and/or keep going lane to lane making sure every lane wins.

Usually though yes, it's Wriggles into Boots of Mobility into your regular AD carry items, IE, BT, PD. At least this is how i play him anyway.

I use AD reds, armor yellows, MR blues and MS or AD quints depending.

I also run 21/0/9 with all your basic AD offense talents the 9 into utility to get the extended buff duration.

Unsure if other players follow these exact builds but it's what I use when I play shaco and it seems to work nicely.

iCanada

Canada10660 Posts

April 19 2012 06:11 GMT

#318

On April 19 2012 14:49 randomKo_Orean wrote:
What about masteries and build order? I heard you should go 9-0-21 for the experience boost from the utility tree. I'm guessing Apen/AD runes with wriggles, boots of mobility.... and then what?

Nah, go 21/0/9, taking all the AD from Offense (basically everything on the left side) and then the speed boost and buff increase in Utility.

For items I'd start boots+3, then rush Wriggles lantern. Wriggles increases your clear speed siginificantly, allows you to solo dragon within 30~ seconds as early as level six (kinda risky) and allows you to be a dangerous split pushing force when you no longer a threat to enemy champions.

Other than that build as you need. It kinda silly to build as a huge glass cannon because you kinda useless in teamfights anyway. Its worth noting with your Ult, wriggles, and a Madreds Bloodrazer Shaco can solo Baron rather easily and safely, should there come a time when people just randomly out of position or you know they dont have wards you can do that as well.

Other than that, gank early and as often as possible, then just split push and pressure map objectives once the late game hits. Shaco is a terrible teamfighter, it is almost pointless to be there int he firstplace. Especially since after the 25 minute mark or so he can kill towers ridiculously fast with ult.

Arisen

United States2382 Posts

August 24 2012 02:54 GMT

#319

It's pretty hard to find any relevant information on shaco because most of the info out there is old and noone really plays shaco that much. Im training in normals to see if I can bring shaco to ranked play, and I'm having some success, but have a few questions.

1) If mid/bot (or top depending on the side) is pushed at level 2 right after you've finished red buff, do you attempt a gank? I know shaco has some of the best pre 6 ganks and most of the good shacos I've seen have lvl 2 ganked, but I can almost never do so effectively. The best I can do usually is use exhaust on a mid gank and force a flash and a back, but I'm not sure if it's worth it to use exhaust for my mid lane to get up 15 or so CS.

2) What to build after wriggles? I've seen some people say you need to build a bruatalizer ASAP, while some say you need to rush to either a bloodrazor, triforce, or Black Cleaver. I've been going bloodrazor for super fast barons usually followed up by a GA, but that's just because I picked something, I don't really know what's best.