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Mogwai
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Requizen
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On February 15 2012 03:53 Mogwai wrote: This OP desperately needs an update. Still recommends Sunfire and HoG stacking ...there was no point in updating it because shen was not a super viable pick now it's been 6 months and i can't edit the OP anymore i'm fine with someone else making a new guide | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
so what's go-to shen build now? boots3 into phage+recurve then build wits, atmogs, triforce? | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On February 15 2012 04:43 Ryuu314 wrote: geezus...OP was back when dorans were like 425 gold or smth lololol. so what's go-to shen build now? boots3 into phage+recurve then build wits, atmogs, triforce? I feel like there should be an earlyish HoG in there somewhere. And a late-ish randuins. | ||
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omgbnetsux
United States3749 Posts
On February 15 2012 04:36 Dgiese wrote: So I just got my first shen game after the patch... and FUCK YEAH. He's back to his glory days, he gives no fucks about anything and just trucks people. This is the best Valentine's Day present ever! | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On February 15 2012 05:00 omgbnetsux wrote: This is the best Valentine's Day present ever! omghiomgbnetsux! Long time no see. :3 | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
Anyway, on Shen, it doesn't feel like he needs ionic spark, wits end, Q and ki strike are actually pretty damn quick at clearing waves. Add in the fact that W reduces ki strike's CD even further, and I don't really think Ionic spark has much place on him. Admittedly, I haven't tried it on him yet, but it seems like a waste of money when you look at the other things you could be getting on him. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
The best thing I like about Shen's laning is the fact that you still life steal if you use Q to last hit. That is amazing sustain while farming at tower or even last hitting melee minions while you're being zoned. Skipped Wriggle's, went HoG, Aegis, Randuin's. | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
On February 15 2012 09:26 NeoIllusions wrote: Played another game with Shen just now. Vs Naut with an enemy Shaco jungle. Because of Red Shaco, who tried to gank twice in 3 minutes into game no less, I had to play safe (Level 2 Dash + Flash = no deaths). But didn't stop me from farming up a storm. The best thing I like about Shen's laning is the fact that you still life steal if you use Q to last hit. That is amazing sustain while farming at tower or even last hitting melee minions while you're being zoned. Skipped Wriggle's, went HoG, Aegis, Randuin's. no attack speed? wits end looked real broken on SV stream | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On February 15 2012 10:16 barbsq wrote: just pointing this out, but i got wrecked earlier by an AP shen, and realized that he was bursting me for 700+ damage with vorpal + dash combo pretty regularly. Our top lane was a disaster tho, 0-11 ww (he randomed since he got the champ bug) so it's hard to tell whether it was due to snowball or whether AP is actually now pretty strong on shen. i'd imagine AP is weaker now considering how his ratios were all nerfed across teh board. with the exception of his dash now doing damage, but I guess that might contribute to why AP seems stronger... | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On February 15 2012 09:40 Senx wrote: no attack speed? wits end looked real broken on SV stream Mercs + Aegis was enough MR vs Naut. I haven't tried Wit's on him yet. I told Smash I'd try out Trinity Shen first, so it's on my agenda. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On February 15 2012 10:21 Ryuu314 wrote: i'd imagine AP is weaker now considering how his ratios were all nerfed across teh board. with the exception of his dash now doing damage, but I guess that might contribute to why AP seems stronger... Nerfed across the board, but it adds up to higher ratio's on his damage, courtesy of dash (as u mentioned). he's now got 1.2 ap scaling on damage, instead of 0.7 or something. checked numbers .75 -> 1.1 on dmg. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 15 2012 12:17 Dgiese wrote: Nerfed across the board, but it adds up to higher ratio's on his damage, courtesy of dash (as u mentioned). he's now got 1.2 ap scaling on damage, instead of 0.7 or something. checked numbers .75 -> 1.1 on dmg. You're summing the ratio of 1 Vorpal + 1 Dash. That's not accounting for how the CD is longer, and how more energy-restrictive Dash is, particularly in small skirmishes where you won't land multi-target Dashes. You throw many more Vorpals in a fight than you do Dashes. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On February 15 2012 12:45 TheYango wrote: You're summing the ratio of 1 Vorpal + 1 Dash. That's not accounting for how the CD is longer, and how more energy-restrictive Dash is, particularly in small skirmishes where you won't land multi-target Dashes. You throw many more Vorpals in a fight than you do Dashes. Cooldown on Dash was reduced, and on vorpal it wasn't changed? And dash energy return was changed to 40x instead of flat 50, so even if u just dash 1 person thats a tiny nerf. Yes you will be throwing more vorpals, but I still feel like it's an AP Shen buff. Not that it really matters though, cause other builds just seem better. | ||
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ManyCookies
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warscythes
365 Posts
On February 15 2012 13:20 ManyCookies wrote: Non-Shen player here, does he lose to any top lanes now? I think he lose to Warwick but that is about it. | ||
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