EPTnull + pots for point+click APs
boots + pots for skillshot APs
cloth + pots for heavy harassers
boots + pots for melee only tops (eg GP don't count)
[Champion] Shen - Page 12
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R04R
United States1631 Posts
null + pots for point+click APs boots + pots for skillshot APs cloth + pots for heavy harassers boots + pots for melee only tops (eg GP don't count) | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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R04R
United States1631 Posts
aps don't need to waste mana on harass when they can farm creep waves uncontested. The lane is too short to zone and if you're too aggressive it's an easy gank because shen has to get so close to harass while the enemy ap has 700 range skills although let's see... leblanc kass vlad orianna kat akali are all handle-able for shen imo eh I take back leblanc and farmed shen vs farmed ap -.- you're going to need a consistent source of magic damage later in the game | ||
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FR4CT4L
Australia697 Posts
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On February 14 2012 21:54 FR4CT4L wrote: Seeing as shen might become a pretty big player in the top lane what are some champions that do well against him? as he is now, he really only loses (is not equal/ahead) vs champions that push faster or can easily outpoke him (negate Q spam or long range stuff helps). I think he is one of the strongest early gamers atm. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:43 clickrush wrote: as he is now, he really only loses (is not equal/ahead) vs champions that push faster or can easily outpoke him (negate Q spam or long range stuff helps). I think he is one of the strongest early gamers atm. Pantheon should be strong VS him early on, and has a semi-global ult as well... | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:50 mr_tolkien wrote: Pantheon should be strong VS him early on, and has a semi-global ult as well... Yeah, but pantheon relies on getting kills with ultimate, and shen prefers to have someone trying to do that, if anything shen coutners panth. And if you heard the great wisdom of drunk butters on vent, you'd understand how shen counters panth in lane. "PICK SHEN, YOU JUST MAX SHIELD, SHIELD WHEN PANTHEON SPEARS, TOTAL COUNTER, HE CANT DO SHIT MAN, PANTHEON WILL RUN OUT OF MANA BEFORE SHEN DOES, SHEN DOESN'T EVEN HAVE MANA, JUST HARASS WITH Q BLOCK WITH W HE CANT DO SHIT MAN" The shield buff means shens shield easily blocks the spears, and the q+auto hit with kt strike should out weight panth passive. I'll accept challenge from anyone playing pantheon against new shen on EU server.I don't play shen that much but drunk butters wisdom guides me. (Ironically he was trying to prove why a counter thread is stupid it doesn't work in real games, turns out it was the most legit example that disproves his own argument) | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Running AS Marks, TP/Flash for utility. 21 9 0 Shen's also a boss at farming under tower. In fact, I prefer it. Edit: QEQWQR, R > Q > W > E | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On February 15 2012 01:05 Requizen wrote: Wait, so W went from "never get this shit" to "max first every time"? Neat, is it just that Q's damage doesn't scale as well as W's shield or what? nono I dont think you can really afford to max W over Q in a lot of matchups. I mean W helps against pokes and straight up engagements but if you dont pressure your opponent with strong Q spams then you wont get anywhere I think. The panth example is just very situational. I wouldnt do it vs riven for example. Also I doubt that you get more HP back with W in trades as you would with Q. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
On February 15 2012 01:05 Requizen wrote: Wait, so W went from "never get this shit" to "max first every time"? Neat, is it just that Q's damage doesn't scale as well as W's shield or what? I think pantheon is a pretty specific niche, but it's probably still good against similar harasses like GP. However, you don't need to max E any more so you're getting it reasonably fast. | ||
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InvaderUK
225 Posts
Slayer91 once said: And if you heard the great wisdom of drunk butters on vent, you'd understand how shen counters panth in lane. "PICK SHEN, YOU JUST MAX SHIELD, SHIELD WHEN PANTHEON SPEARS, TOTAL COUNTER, HE CANT DO SHIT MAN, PANTHEON WILL RUN OUT OF MANA BEFORE SHEN DOES, SHEN DOESN'T EVEN HAVE MANA, JUST HARASS WITH Q BLOCK WITH W HE CANT DO SHIT MAN" The one time butters said he was going to troll and then everything he said from then onward kinda made sense. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
With Ruby opening, I'd think it might be a decent choice if you don't think you need Aegis right away, or want more damage for ganks. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
I think ionics not a great item. Why not just get hp and wits end honestly. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Synystyr
United States1446 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On February 15 2012 02:42 Synystyr wrote: I've played two games with Shen, both in the jungle. Ruby opening is excellent and I build it into a fast HoG and then grab an Ionic Spark for faster clears. It synergizes reeeeally well with his kit now and I would definitely recommend it. I feel like you need to grab Rylais as well for the slow on his Q since you don't have any other CC outside of his taunt. CD is too high and you're too energy starved to really be able to use it again in a gank. Other than that, Shen is really fucking strong now! ...orrrr you could buy mallet or trifroce, which actually makes sense, instead of shitty old rylai's. and ionic spark is still just really bad, I can't imagine a situation where I wouldn't rather have phage + recurve (which will turn into wit's end). | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
Edit: Totally wrong topic. I'm sorry. | ||
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