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On December 31 2011 08:37 sylverfyre wrote: So one of shen's flaws is the fact that he has difficulty shoving a lane on-demand - so, with that in mind how does Ionic Spark sound on him? (when it is added to SR) The HP helps his passive, and if they buff his passive the way they claim they will (autoattacks lower the time til next passive proc) then the +AS will be a reasonable stat on him too. Other than that, it basically functions like a Wits End with a different defensive stat and different damage mechanic. Thoughts? Where does it say autoattacks will lower passive cd? All I've seen on PBE/forum notes was that minion attacks will also reduce cd by 0.5 sec per hit, not just champ attacks.
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On December 31 2011 08:41 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 08:37 sylverfyre wrote: So one of shen's flaws is the fact that he has difficulty shoving a lane on-demand - so, with that in mind how does Ionic Spark sound on him? (when it is added to SR) The HP helps his passive, and if they buff his passive the way they claim they will (autoattacks lower the time til next passive proc) then the +AS will be a reasonable stat on him too. Other than that, it basically functions like a Wits End with a different defensive stat and different damage mechanic. Thoughts? Where does it say autoattacks will lower passive cd? All I've seen on PBE/forum notes was that minion attacks will also reduce cd by 0.5 sec per hit, not just champ attacks.
yeah AA doesn't reduce cd in the patch notes, but AS will still be a good stat on shen because of the 2% health per hit from his buffed Q
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On December 31 2011 09:40 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 08:41 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 31 2011 08:37 sylverfyre wrote: So one of shen's flaws is the fact that he has difficulty shoving a lane on-demand - so, with that in mind how does Ionic Spark sound on him? (when it is added to SR) The HP helps his passive, and if they buff his passive the way they claim they will (autoattacks lower the time til next passive proc) then the +AS will be a reasonable stat on him too. Other than that, it basically functions like a Wits End with a different defensive stat and different damage mechanic. Thoughts? Where does it say autoattacks will lower passive cd? All I've seen on PBE/forum notes was that minion attacks will also reduce cd by 0.5 sec per hit, not just champ attacks. AS will still be a good stat on shen because of the 2% health per hit from his buffed Q
Completely untrue. Q is a HOT effect. Multiple attacks just refresh the healing buff. You'll get more out of building more HP.
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Oh, I guess I misunderstood how they were buffing the passive.
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On December 31 2011 10:01 phyvo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 09:40 sob3k wrote:On December 31 2011 08:41 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 31 2011 08:37 sylverfyre wrote: So one of shen's flaws is the fact that he has difficulty shoving a lane on-demand - so, with that in mind how does Ionic Spark sound on him? (when it is added to SR) The HP helps his passive, and if they buff his passive the way they claim they will (autoattacks lower the time til next passive proc) then the +AS will be a reasonable stat on him too. Other than that, it basically functions like a Wits End with a different defensive stat and different damage mechanic. Thoughts? Where does it say autoattacks will lower passive cd? All I've seen on PBE/forum notes was that minion attacks will also reduce cd by 0.5 sec per hit, not just champ attacks. AS will still be a good stat on shen because of the 2% health per hit from his buffed Q Completely untrue. Q is a HOT effect. Multiple attacks just refresh the healing buff. You'll get more out of building more HP.
In the proposed buffs it says per hit after the 2%, which seems to mean its actually per hit and not HOT like the other part of the skill.
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On December 29 2011 08:16 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 07:07 wei2coolman wrote: I tried shen in new jungle. OMG he's horrendously bad in it >.> What was I thinking???
His lane isn't that great either. I did okay solo top with him, but overall lost my lane (less cs than the other dude, but was able to go 0/0 with him). I could see shen being a more viable bot support, but even then I rather have a full on support like sona/janna/soraka with ad carry, than I would with shen.
Just played for free week, not a shen expert or anything. Just my 2 cents. He needs to much farm to be played as support. His jungle is pretty darn slow so he's not great in jungle either, but his ganks are quite good. Solo top Shen does pretty well cause q harass is basically free and q+ki strike is good burst and his q sustain isn't terrible. His biggest problem ATM is dropping off and becoming an ult/taunt bot cause his damage is pretty crappy and his taunt is so expensive u basically can only use it once in fights and maybe a second time to run or clean up
It's not exactly that he 'needs' farm, it's just that with zero farm he does nothing and with lots of farm he does nothing + item effects
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I didn't even consider shen as a jungler. I just saw him as the bot that put shields on everyone and threw knives at me and towerdove me two times in a row with his taunt. Seems like he'd be able to jungle at a low summoner level with his Q though he wouldn't get many kills from his ganks.
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On December 31 2011 12:23 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 08:16 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 29 2011 07:07 wei2coolman wrote: I tried shen in new jungle. OMG he's horrendously bad in it >.> What was I thinking???
His lane isn't that great either. I did okay solo top with him, but overall lost my lane (less cs than the other dude, but was able to go 0/0 with him). I could see shen being a more viable bot support, but even then I rather have a full on support like sona/janna/soraka with ad carry, than I would with shen.
Just played for free week, not a shen expert or anything. Just my 2 cents. He needs to much farm to be played as support. His jungle is pretty darn slow so he's not great in jungle either, but his ganks are quite good. Solo top Shen does pretty well cause q harass is basically free and q+ki strike is good burst and his q sustain isn't terrible. His biggest problem ATM is dropping off and becoming an ult/taunt bot cause his damage is pretty crappy and his taunt is so expensive u basically can only use it once in fights and maybe a second time to run or clean up It's not exactly that he 'needs' farm, it's just that with zero farm he does nothing and with lots of farm he does nothing + item effects pffft. AP shen with rylais dcap actually does something. With like 400~ AP you shield with your ulti for ridiculous amounts it's like an AP soraka heal pre-nerf.
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It's a shame how much people tend to hate on Shen these days. I took a break a couple months ago, and before the break, I used to play Shen all the time because I thought he was still a solid champion.
I come back and the instant I pick Shen, I'm always trolling, or I'm obviously going to lose top lane against every single champion in the game. Shen is deceptively strong at top, and I honestly haven't flat out lost top once as Shen.
He does begin to fall off in terms of damage output towards the middle of the game, but his global presence is as strong as ever, even with the weak-ass ult shield. A team that can properly use that to their advantage has a huge advantage (and no, teleport is definitely much much weaker than Shen's ult, mainly because Shen's ult is up 2x more than teleport is).
I am looking forward to the Shen buffs, not because I think he really needs a ton of buffs, but mostly so people don't flip out and go retarded about the Shen pick, even when they clearly know nothing about the champion.
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Is there gonna be a Shen buff? or are you just speculating because of the negative reception he's getting?
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I'm currently saving to buy Shen and I'm going to play him as a permafarm toplane with a build of 5 warmogs, or maybe 4 warmogs and a fon, or perhaps 4 and atmas, or 3 and atmas and fon. I'm certain that build is going to be amazing. Might also go phage into warmogs into mallet
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On January 25 2012 08:41 Shikyo wrote: I'm currently saving to buy Shen and I'm going to play him as a permafarm toplane with a build of 5 warmogs, or maybe 4 warmogs and a fon, or perhaps 4 and atmas, or 3 and atmas and fon. I'm certain that build is going to be amazing. Might also go phage into warmogs into mallet
kinda hard to permafarm when your most important ability/role forces you out of lane but gl
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On January 25 2012 01:28 Synthesis wrote: It's a shame how much people tend to hate on Shen these days. I took a break a couple months ago, and before the break, I used to play Shen all the time because I thought he was still a solid champion.
I come back and the instant I pick Shen, I'm always trolling, or I'm obviously going to lose top lane against every single champion in the game. Shen is deceptively strong at top, and I honestly haven't flat out lost top once as Shen.
He does begin to fall off in terms of damage output towards the middle of the game, but his global presence is as strong as ever, even with the weak-ass ult shield. A team that can properly use that to their advantage has a huge advantage (and no, teleport is definitely much much weaker than Shen's ult, mainly because Shen's ult is up 2x more than teleport is).
I am looking forward to the Shen buffs, not because I think he really needs a ton of buffs, but mostly so people don't flip out and go retarded about the Shen pick, even when they clearly know nothing about the champion.
that's cuz they rebuffed his early game and didn't buff anything else about him
so his mid and late is still legendary garbage, they just fixed one thing about him.
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On January 25 2012 08:28 AngryFarmer wrote: Is there gonna be a Shen buff? or are you just speculating because of the negative reception he's getting?
There was supposed to be Shen buffs this patch, but I guess they weren't confident enough in them yet to release them, but Shen is definitely currently being worked on.
On January 25 2012 10:47 UniversalSnip wrote: that's cuz they rebuffed his early game and didn't buff anything else about him
so his mid and late is still legendary garbage, they just fixed one thing about him.
Honestly, I agree that he begins to fall off midgame and drops off pretty hard late game, especially in terms of damage, but I still believe he's not complete useless trash like everyone suggests because his ultimate is still global, is a decent shield, has a low cooldown, and he still has a taunt that can taunt multiple people at once. By lategame if you can just keep your carries alive, they'll do the rest for you.
I find Shen is one of those champions where he has a really strong start, and you might be able to snowball your team into a victory from there by forcing fights in your favour at buffs or dragon or in the jungle, or you'll just start to drop off (maybe like Panth?).
Maybe at high elo where games are closer and less mistakes are made, it's very difficult to play Shen well, but I'm currently at 1500-1600 and Shen has still been on occasion a pretty fantastic pick.
Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing the Shen buffs.
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On January 25 2012 08:53 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2012 08:41 Shikyo wrote: I'm currently saving to buy Shen and I'm going to play him as a permafarm toplane with a build of 5 warmogs, or maybe 4 warmogs and a fon, or perhaps 4 and atmas, or 3 and atmas and fon. I'm certain that build is going to be amazing. Might also go phage into warmogs into mallet kinda hard to permafarm when your most important ability/role forces you out of lane but gl screw saving allies, only when tp is up
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Thought I'd bump this thread for the recent patch.
ITS SHEN BABY.
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Including relevant patch notes help ya know
Shen
Ki Strike Damage increased to 10-112 (+10% bonus Health) from 10-95 (+8% bonus Health) Cooldown is now reduced by 1.5 seconds whenever Shen attacks instead of 2 seconds when being attacked Now grants Shen 10/20/30 energy when he Ki Strikes Damage now scale correctly with all sources of bonus Health (% health runes, Juggernaut mastery) Added a buff timer for Ki Strike's cooldown (like Ziggs' Short Fuse)
Vorpal Blade Energy cost adjusted to 60 from 70/65/60/55/50 Damage adjusted to 60/105/150/195/240 (+0.6 ability power) from 70/105/140/175/210 (+0.75 ability power) Heal effect changed to 6/10/14/18/22 (+2% of Shen's maximum Health) from 18/26/34/42/50 If Vorpal Blade deals the killing blow, it will now trigger 33% of the heal effect for Shen Allied damaging spells can now trigger the heal effect, in addition to attacks (Vorpal Blade cannot trigger itself)
Feint Feint duration increased to 3 seconds from 2.5 Energy cost reduced to 40 from 45 Shield amount adjusted to 70/120/170/220/270 (+0.6 ability power) from 50/100/150/200/250 (+0.75 ability power) While Feint is active, Ki Strike’s cooldown reduction on hit is increased to 3 seconds from 1.5
Shadow Dash Cooldown reduced to 10/9.5/9/8.5/8 seconds from 10 Energy cost increased to 120 from 120/115/110/105/100 Restores 40 energy per champion affected (rather than a flat 50 energy if you affect one) Now deals 50/85/120/155/190 damage (+0.5 ability power) to Champions Taunt duration adjusted to 1.5 seconds from 1/1.25/1.5/1.75/2 Shadow Dash now grants Shen 50% physical damage reduction from taunted targets
Stand United Channel time increased to 3 seconds from 2.5 Shield duration reduced to 5 seconds from 7.5 Shield amount increased to 250/550/850 from 200/475/750
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Ionic Spark becoming a useful item for someone? It's more likely than you think.
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God Shen is going to be so good now. New perma-ban incoming!
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Hmm, gonna play Shen again. With his new changes, attack speed would be super good on shen. Wit's end is probably core on him. Raduin's will always be core on Shen, it's just too good with his taunt on top of amazing Shen stats. Still sticking with merc treads for boots unless they got 3 autoattackers then go ninja tabi. What else should I build on Shen? I think Rylai, Abyssal, Warmogs, Aegis, Locket, Sunfire, Madreds are all decent items on Shen, but not sure what to get and when. Also, what do I start off with on Shen? I usually go null+pots vs AP lane, cloth+pots vs AD lane, not sure what to do vs non aggressive lane.
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