EPT[Champion] Shen - Page 15
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Aegis and Randuin's seems utterly core on Shen. Add in resist boots, you have 3 open slots to toy around with. Any reason why Visage wouldn't be a good item? Granted you already get one mid-tier items already in Aegis. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 15 2012 18:24 NeoIllusions wrote: Any reason why Visage wouldn't be a good item? Granted you already get one mid-tier items already in Aegis. I haven't played enough Shen to say for sure how the CDR would feel for your energy management. If your energy can support it, it's an absolutely amazing stat for you. If it can't then it's almost worthless as a stat to you. Bear in mind that CDR isn't SUPPOSED to be useful on energy champs--they're supposed to be gated by energy more than cooldowns. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Riot fucked up on the numbers on this one, and made Shen's energy return numbers too good, making CDR worth buying. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
I go flat Armor Seals, wouldn't think of trading that in for Energy runes. >_> Edit: one bad Dash and you're pretty fucked in the Energy department. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
Haven't tried trinity yet. Would probably do the same thing I want, but with heaps of damage. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On February 15 2012 18:24 NeoIllusions wrote: Going to test Wit's End first thing tomorrow. Aegis, Merc, Wit's End feels enough. Aegis and Randuin's seems utterly core on Shen. Add in resist boots, you have 3 open slots to toy around with. Any reason why Visage wouldn't be a good item? Granted you already get one mid-tier items already in Aegis. Why is Aegis core? I usually end up either building a chain vest or 2x nmm to counter my lane. Add a HoG and work towards phage. ---> Wits/Mercs OR Phage/Randuins. --> the other. Then once I have my Wits/Phage/Mercs/Randuins I can work towards Triforce and either Atmogs or FoN / Atmas. PS: It's so stupid how his ult wins fights when both teams are being stupid. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
i didn't have enough for a single spell most of the time in the late-game in my last game ridiculous | ||
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Gaslo
Finland951 Posts
First was against GP, and it was a bit hard at start, but when he ran out of mana i could start zoning him hard. But that GP started vamp scepter, so hard to say how that match goes against a competent one. At the start it seemed that parrrley vs Vorpal did not favor me at all. Second was against nasus, and it was super easy, at first it seemed my Q harash did nothing, but when i started to level up, and use my Q + ki, he had to B several times, and in the end he was free money for me and our jungler. Ended the game like 250 cs vs 100. -Went HoG, phage, wits, randuis, had hard time deciding what next. Trinity in the second game worked out pretty well, but i was so much ahead that even buying extra hog:s would of worked.  - it's so hard to manage that energy. I felt that in every team fight i was ooe from the start, is that just bad play, or how Shen works? | ||
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
Basically, I had the issue where I was able to get some good taunts (usually 2-4 targets including at least one carry), but despite that I couldn't disrupt or do enough damage to be meaningful past that first taunt. It might've just been an issue of my team being too weak. I'll have to play more games to get a better feel. Also, I was able to open Doran's Shield very effectively and the early game felt pretty strong. Energy issues weren't as bad later on as I expected, but there were still several key moments where I had too little energy for an additional taunt. You're still pretty energy starved in large team fights if you try to use all your abilities. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On February 15 2012 19:35 gtrsrs wrote: oh my god new shen's energy management is straight up crisis mode i didn't have enough for a single spell most of the time in the late-game in my last game ridiculous really? I didn't have too many issues with it, esp with feint up i was hitting tons of ki strikes giving me plenty of energy to vorpal pretty regularly, and occasionally getting enough for dashes. Ofc, i have no frame of reference for what it used to be like, but IMO shen is now a lot more autoattack-centric than spell-centric anyways. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On February 15 2012 18:26 TheYango wrote: I haven't played enough Shen to say for sure how the CDR would feel for your energy management. If your energy can support it, it's an absolutely amazing stat for you. If it can't then it's almost worthless as a stat to you. Bear in mind that CDR isn't SUPPOSED to be useful on energy champs--they're supposed to be gated by energy more than cooldowns. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Riot fucked up on the numbers on this one, and made Shen's energy return numbers too good, making CDR worth buying. It depends on how you play him. He can use a little bit of CDR and along with a wits end the returns in energy are enough to let him spam Vorpal, but then again you won't be able to do much else. Need to almost forget about W and dash can't be properly used against a single target... The reason you'd get Visage against those lanes is simply because the mr is great and the HP is great and the extra healing is great for sustain in a tough lane. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Ruby-Boots-Hog-Merc's-Phage-(Aegis/situational item)-FMallet-(whatever you feel like or need end game) seems to work really really well. All that health and sticking power early makes your ganks terrifying, and makes your shield from Ult turn fights around in seconds. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On February 15 2012 19:35 gtrsrs wrote: oh my god new shen's energy management is straight up crisis mode i didn't have enough for a single spell most of the time in the late-game in my last game ridiculous Fun Fact: Before the jungle remake blue gave 15 ep5. Now it gives 35 ep5. If you have energy regen runes you can actually reach 100 ep5 total. Shen with 20 energy per second is hilarious. Always spam buttons, never not spam buttons. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On February 16 2012 01:14 Seuss wrote: Fun Fact: Before the jungle remake blue gave 15 ep5. Now it gives 35 ep5. If you have energy regen runes you can actually reach 100 ep5 total. Shen with 20 energy per second is hilarious. Always spam buttons, never not spam buttons. I could see how that'd be fun, but I don't think I'd ever swap out standard AS red/Arm yellow/MR blue/MS quint jungle runes for energy regen. But yeah, when blue == true, you just bloody kill everything. I almost never want to give it away. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On February 16 2012 05:45 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: I think you should be running 12 arp in that mix, but I guess I'm not the boss jungler I was a year ago .I feel that AS works a lot better with his passive now. I considered speccing 9/21/0 for the arpen bonuses to make up for it, but I really like the utility stuff. | ||
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heroyi
United States1064 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 16 2012 05:55 Requizen wrote: I feel that AS works a lot better with his passive now. I considered speccing 9/21/0 for the arpen bonuses to make up for it, but I really like the utility stuff. I think 5hit means running 3xArPen quints, rather than MS quints. Given that Shen's gap closer is a dash, and not a movement-based skill like Udyr or Shyvana, I can understand why 12 ArPen could be more worthwhile than 4.5% MS. Have to test more with both to say for certain. | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
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