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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 15 2012 09:15 GMT
#281
Have you guys attempted a Spirit Visage rush vs Rumble, Kennen and co.? That along with a Wits End should actually give him some decent laning, though I haven't tested it myself.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 15 2012 09:24 GMT
#282
Going to test Wit's End first thing tomorrow. Aegis, Merc, Wit's End feels enough.

Aegis and Randuin's seems utterly core on Shen. Add in resist boots, you have 3 open slots to toy around with.

Any reason why Visage wouldn't be a good item? Granted you already get one mid-tier items already in Aegis.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-15 09:30:17
February 15 2012 09:26 GMT
#283
On February 15 2012 18:24 NeoIllusions wrote:
Any reason why Visage wouldn't be a good item? Granted you already get one mid-tier items already in Aegis.

I haven't played enough Shen to say for sure how the CDR would feel for your energy management. If your energy can support it, it's an absolutely amazing stat for you. If it can't then it's almost worthless as a stat to you.

Bear in mind that CDR isn't SUPPOSED to be useful on energy champs--they're supposed to be gated by energy more than cooldowns. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Riot fucked up on the numbers on this one, and made Shen's energy return numbers too good, making CDR worth buying.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-15 09:30:38
February 15 2012 09:29 GMT
#284
I guess I'll test the two MR builds tomorrow. CDR doesn't seem right on him imo. I feel like Wit's End will yield better results.

I go flat Armor Seals, wouldn't think of trading that in for Energy runes. >_>

Edit: one bad Dash and you're pretty fucked in the Energy department.
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Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
February 15 2012 09:44 GMT
#285
I build mallet a game or two ago, after wits and wardens i think... I really liked it. I feel like wits end and mallet is just an awesome death trap. Constantly procing Kistrike while your enemy can't escape, and just shadow dash to follow if they have a disengage.

Haven't tried trinity yet. Would probably do the same thing I want, but with heaps of damage.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-15 10:35:49
February 15 2012 10:35 GMT
#286
On February 15 2012 18:24 NeoIllusions wrote:
Going to test Wit's End first thing tomorrow. Aegis, Merc, Wit's End feels enough.

Aegis and Randuin's seems utterly core on Shen. Add in resist boots, you have 3 open slots to toy around with.

Any reason why Visage wouldn't be a good item? Granted you already get one mid-tier items already in Aegis.


Why is Aegis core?

I usually end up either building a chain vest or 2x nmm to counter my lane. Add a HoG and work towards phage.

---> Wits/Mercs OR Phage/Randuins. --> the other.

Then once I have my Wits/Phage/Mercs/Randuins I can work towards Triforce and either Atmogs or FoN / Atmas.


PS: It's so stupid how his ult wins fights when both teams are being stupid.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
February 15 2012 10:35 GMT
#287
oh my god new shen's energy management is straight up crisis mode
i didn't have enough for a single spell most of the time in the late-game in my last game
ridiculous
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Gaslo
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland951 Posts
February 15 2012 12:07 GMT
#288
2 games played with the new shen (well, any shen) and so far i love him.

First was against GP, and it was a bit hard at start, but when he ran out of mana i could start zoning him hard. But that GP started vamp scepter, so hard to say how that match goes against a competent one. At the start it seemed that parrrley vs Vorpal did not favor me at all.

Second was against nasus, and it was super easy, at first it seemed my Q harash did nothing, but when i started to level up, and use my Q + ki, he had to B several times, and in the end he was free money for me and our jungler. Ended the game like 250 cs vs 100.

-Went HoG, phage, wits, randuis, had hard time deciding what next. Trinity in the second game worked out pretty well, but i was so much ahead that even buying extra hog:s would of worked.

- it's so hard to manage that energy. I felt that in every team fight i was ooe from the start, is that just bad play, or how Shen works?
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-15 13:15:17
February 15 2012 13:11 GMT
#289
Tried Jungle Shen a bit and it seems okay, but nothing special. The ult is as strong as it's always been for counter ganking or just generally saving a teammate. I did wits and mercs first and got a phage either before or after my aegis, which I built into a Trinity Force (I started out like 5/0/7). Even with all that offense, my damage still felt like shit on everything but their Janna (Trist, terrible GP with like one defensive item). Tankiness ended up being a slightly lower than what it needed to be for that game, but not by much. I ended up grabbing a FoN and trying Sunfire for more damage, but it didn't help much.

Basically, I had the issue where I was able to get some good taunts (usually 2-4 targets including at least one carry), but despite that I couldn't disrupt or do enough damage to be meaningful past that first taunt. It might've just been an issue of my team being too weak. I'll have to play more games to get a better feel.

Also, I was able to open Doran's Shield very effectively and the early game felt pretty strong. Energy issues weren't as bad later on as I expected, but there were still several key moments where I had too little energy for an additional taunt. You're still pretty energy starved in large team fights if you try to use all your abilities.
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barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
February 15 2012 14:29 GMT
#290
On February 15 2012 19:35 gtrsrs wrote:
oh my god new shen's energy management is straight up crisis mode
i didn't have enough for a single spell most of the time in the late-game in my last game
ridiculous


really? I didn't have too many issues with it, esp with feint up i was hitting tons of ki strikes giving me plenty of energy to vorpal pretty regularly, and occasionally getting enough for dashes. Ofc, i have no frame of reference for what it used to be like, but IMO shen is now a lot more autoattack-centric than spell-centric anyways.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 15 2012 14:43 GMT
#291
On February 15 2012 18:26 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 18:24 NeoIllusions wrote:
Any reason why Visage wouldn't be a good item? Granted you already get one mid-tier items already in Aegis.

I haven't played enough Shen to say for sure how the CDR would feel for your energy management. If your energy can support it, it's an absolutely amazing stat for you. If it can't then it's almost worthless as a stat to you.

Bear in mind that CDR isn't SUPPOSED to be useful on energy champs--they're supposed to be gated by energy more than cooldowns. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Riot fucked up on the numbers on this one, and made Shen's energy return numbers too good, making CDR worth buying.

It depends on how you play him. He can use a little bit of CDR and along with a wits end the returns in energy are enough to let him spam Vorpal, but then again you won't be able to do much else. Need to almost forget about W and dash can't be properly used against a single target...

The reason you'd get Visage against those lanes is simply because the mr is great and the HP is great and the extra healing is great for sustain in a tough lane.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 15 2012 15:11 GMT
#292
As far a jungle goes, Ruby start has been straight up awesome. You're full basically all the time past level 2. I'll do QW and then pick either Q normally or E if I feel like I need it for ganking. I tried QE for level 2 ganks, but you really want that shield.

Ruby-Boots-Hog-Merc's-Phage-(Aegis/situational item)-FMallet-(whatever you feel like or need end game) seems to work really really well. All that health and sticking power early makes your ganks terrifying, and makes your shield from Ult turn fights around in seconds.
It's your boy Guzma!
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 15 2012 16:14 GMT
#293
On February 15 2012 19:35 gtrsrs wrote:
oh my god new shen's energy management is straight up crisis mode
i didn't have enough for a single spell most of the time in the late-game in my last game
ridiculous


Fun Fact: Before the jungle remake blue gave 15 ep5. Now it gives 35 ep5. If you have energy regen runes you can actually reach 100 ep5 total.

Shen with 20 energy per second is hilarious. Always spam buttons, never not spam buttons.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 15 2012 16:29 GMT
#294
After reading so many posts about numbers and theorycrafting by people like Seuss or TheYango in GD, it always feels weird to see you guys post impressions about games that actually happened. Kind of like "Woah... they play too!". Well, of course they do, silly me, but I'm just not used to that kind of feedback coming from you.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 15 2012 17:46 GMT
#295
On February 16 2012 01:14 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 19:35 gtrsrs wrote:
oh my god new shen's energy management is straight up crisis mode
i didn't have enough for a single spell most of the time in the late-game in my last game
ridiculous


Fun Fact: Before the jungle remake blue gave 15 ep5. Now it gives 35 ep5. If you have energy regen runes you can actually reach 100 ep5 total.

Shen with 20 energy per second is hilarious. Always spam buttons, never not spam buttons.

I could see how that'd be fun, but I don't think I'd ever swap out standard AS red/Arm yellow/MR blue/MS quint jungle runes for energy regen. But yeah, when blue == true, you just bloody kill everything. I almost never want to give it away.
It's your boy Guzma!
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
February 15 2012 20:45 GMT
#296
I think you should be running 12 arp in that mix, but I guess I'm not the boss jungler I was a year ago .
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 15 2012 20:55 GMT
#297
On February 16 2012 05:45 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I think you should be running 12 arp in that mix, but I guess I'm not the boss jungler I was a year ago .

I feel that AS works a lot better with his passive now. I considered speccing 9/21/0 for the arpen bonuses to make up for it, but I really like the utility stuff.
It's your boy Guzma!
heroyi
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1064 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 00:32:20
February 16 2012 00:26 GMT
#298
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wat wat in my pants
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 00:35:27
February 16 2012 00:34 GMT
#299
On February 16 2012 05:55 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 05:45 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I think you should be running 12 arp in that mix, but I guess I'm not the boss jungler I was a year ago .

I feel that AS works a lot better with his passive now. I considered speccing 9/21/0 for the arpen bonuses to make up for it, but I really like the utility stuff.

I think 5hit means running 3xArPen quints, rather than MS quints.

Given that Shen's gap closer is a dash, and not a movement-based skill like Udyr or Shyvana, I can understand why 12 ArPen could be more worthwhile than 4.5% MS. Have to test more with both to say for certain.
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57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
February 16 2012 00:44 GMT
#300
So does Smashgizmo's old 26/3/1 exaust/ignite dblade cut shit build still work well?
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