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Leonite7
Profile Joined July 2011
Ireland921 Posts
July 22 2012 23:06 GMT
#481
On July 23 2012 08:01 napo wrote:
This shit pretty awesome.
Been going double gp/10, aegis, zeke's. Man that build has so much potential, wouldnt have thought. Its the good guy gp build, always help team, never not help.


Huh, guess I must be using the scumbag bankplank build then, Philo, avarice, boots, glacial , warmogs, frozen heart, force of nature and then ghostblade selling the philo for space when needed and maybe getting either a tanky item or an ie or bt for more damage.
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-22 23:58:09
July 22 2012 23:41 GMT
#482
On July 23 2012 06:01 brolaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 05:12 Zato-1 wrote:
Back in the day, people built Atmog's because they liked the combination of a lot of health, armor and AD that it granted. Now that it grants less HP and a lot less AD, I find that the only way to justify ever buying Atma's is if your champion can take advantage of that 18% crit chance. Gangplank is one of the few champions (maybe Trynd as well) who really likes all of Atma's stats, so I think Atma's can be a viable item on him in particular, probably alongside an IE.

One of the few bruisers that uses autoattacks(well ).. ???Mundo, Olaf, Jax, Xin, Darius, Udyr, Shyvana,sion?

It's not about autoattacks, the crit stat does the same for autoattacks for every champion.

It's about damage. If 100% of a champion's damage were autoattacks and his skills just did stuff like increase his movespeed and attack speed and AD, then crit would be a great damage stat for that champion because 18% crit would directly translate into 18% more damage.

Now compare that to some of your examples:
Shyvana's skills do a ton of damage. What does 18% crit do for her W? Nothing. What abour her E, her R, and her Q? Nothing, nothing and (I think) nothing. So 18% crit only buffs her autoattack damage and thus crit is a shitty stat for her, the same way AP is a shitty stat for her.

Udyr can gain a bit more from the crit stat because his Q gives him AS which synergizes with crit for stronger autoattacks, but crit does nothing for the DOT on his Q, does nothing for his R or E, and even has a special negative synergy with his W. So crit is also a shit stat for Udyr.

You can do the same analysis for most of the champions you listed; crit is also terrible for Jax, Xin and Darius, less so for AD Sion, Mundo and Olaf.

In the case of GP, most of your damage comes from autoattacks + Q, both of which scale with the crit stat (and not a bad scaling like on Garen's E). While 18% crit doesn't quite translate into 18% more total damage because his ult doesn't take advantage of crit, I still feel crit is a fairly good stat on GP.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-23 07:39:49
July 23 2012 00:09 GMT
#483
Uh? How is crit shittier on Xin than on Olaf (for who, depending on your build, axe spam and E can be the majority of the damage, esp. against a mobile target)? Is it because his Q can't crit (iirc)?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-23 02:11:30
July 23 2012 02:10 GMT
#484
On July 23 2012 09:09 Alaric wrote:
Uh? How is crit shittier on Xin than on Olaf (for you, depending on your build, axe spam and E can be the majority of the damage, esp. against a mobile target)? Is it because his Q can't crit (iirc)?

I might be wrong on that count. I figured that between the AS from Olaf's passive, the AD & Lifesteal from Vicious Strikes and the ArPen from his ult, crit would be a big boost to his damage and through lifesteal to his survivability, but I'm not very well acquainted with Olaf and maybe he's all about his Q and E as far as his damage is concerned.

As to Xin, yeah I think his Q can't crit, and obviously his E and R can't either, so if you're looking for offensive stats that synergize well with his kit and provide the most cost-efficient damage I'd look more to stats like AD or ArPen or stuff like Wit's End if you also like its MRes.
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brolaf
Profile Joined May 2012
291 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-23 02:54:57
July 23 2012 02:49 GMT
#485
On July 23 2012 11:10 Zato-1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 09:09 Alaric wrote:
Uh? How is crit shittier on Xin than on Olaf (for you, depending on your build, axe spam and E can be the majority of the damage, esp. against a mobile target)? Is it because his Q can't crit (iirc)?

I might be wrong on that count. I figured that between the AS from Olaf's passive, the AD & Lifesteal from Vicious Strikes and the ArPen from his ult, crit would be a big boost to his damage and through lifesteal to his survivability, but I'm not very well acquainted with Olaf and maybe he's all about his Q and E as far as his damage is concerned.

As to Xin, yeah I think his Q can't crit, and obviously his E and R can't either, so if you're looking for offensive stats that synergize well with his kit and provide the most cost-efficient damage I'd look more to stats like AD or ArPen or stuff like Wit's End if you also like its MRes.

its still time spent autoattacking, not casting spells,even if the bonus damage doesnt crit. Same with jax - his magic damage doesnt crit but he is autoattacking so he can use it a lot. And in general, if you build very tanky ad skills with their base dmg and cdr of tanky items are so powerful compared to autoattacks that crit doesnt do much. However if you build 6000+ gold worth of damage already, the multiplicative effect of autoattack items will far overshadow the damage of skills, especially on the steroided bruisers that i mentioned, making atmas high gold efficiency completely useful.
Vaporized
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1471 Posts
July 23 2012 16:39 GMT
#486
gp feels pretty good to me still atm. i dont try to do anything but farm for the entire laning phase. philo, avarice, triforce, lw. same build i used a year ago lol and it still works fine. once u get philo u can last hit all day with q. by 30 min i had +700g from philo and avarice each, and +800 from q. we had basically won by that point but i had tons of gold still so i got ie and chunked their soraka and ez for 75% of their life in one q. gp is probably one of the hardest scaling top laners there is, and he still gets beastly late game. not sure why everyone thinks he sucks.
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
July 23 2012 23:28 GMT
#487
How does 13pot gp sound (mix of red and blue pots)?
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
July 24 2012 00:03 GMT
#488
On July 24 2012 08:28 101toss wrote:
How does 13pot gp sound (mix of red and blue pots)?


Bad. You can just spam oranges and pretty much not lose any lane.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
July 24 2012 00:17 GMT
#489
On July 23 2012 08:06 Leonite7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 08:01 napo wrote:
This shit pretty awesome.
Been going double gp/10, aegis, zeke's. Man that build has so much potential, wouldnt have thought. Its the good guy gp build, always help team, never not help.


Huh, guess I must be using the scumbag bankplank build then, Philo, avarice, boots, glacial , warmogs, frozen heart, force of nature and then ghostblade selling the philo for space when needed and maybe getting either a tanky item or an ie or bt for more damage.

since gp5 arent unique anymore, jewplanks pretty much dead now
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101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
July 24 2012 00:22 GMT
#490
On July 24 2012 09:17 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 08:06 Leonite7 wrote:
On July 23 2012 08:01 napo wrote:
This shit pretty awesome.
Been going double gp/10, aegis, zeke's. Man that build has so much potential, wouldnt have thought. Its the good guy gp build, always help team, never not help.


Huh, guess I must be using the scumbag bankplank build then, Philo, avarice, boots, glacial , warmogs, frozen heart, force of nature and then ghostblade selling the philo for space when needed and maybe getting either a tanky item or an ie or bt for more damage.

since gp5 arent unique anymore, jewplanks pretty much dead now

wat
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-24 03:29:12
July 24 2012 03:28 GMT
#491
On July 24 2012 09:22 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 09:17 arb wrote:
On July 23 2012 08:06 Leonite7 wrote:
On July 23 2012 08:01 napo wrote:
This shit pretty awesome.
Been going double gp/10, aegis, zeke's. Man that build has so much potential, wouldnt have thought. Its the good guy gp build, always help team, never not help.


Huh, guess I must be using the scumbag bankplank build then, Philo, avarice, boots, glacial , warmogs, frozen heart, force of nature and then ghostblade selling the philo for space when needed and maybe getting either a tanky item or an ie or bt for more damage.

since gp5 arent unique anymore, jewplanks pretty much dead now

wat

super old build when gp deny was still in the game. start E, and begin denying from spawn. get 2 philo, hog, avarice. then cdr or merc boots. basically save up until you have like 3k, then sell a gold item and get IE. Repeat for PD, ghostblade, BT, w/e the fuck you want. Have 6 big items by 30 minute mark at the latest, while your opponent has nothing 'cause you're using E on cooldown and you have shitton of gold from gold items+Q which gave like 16 extra gold per last hit. Then go around 1-shotting carries with your hand cannon. No need to be tanky 'cause you 1-shot everything that's not a tank and ur Q cd is low enough w/ cdr boots+ghostblade. Or you could be lame and do the whole atmogs+Triforce stuff.

you can still kinda do it, but not really since the only gold item worth getting on GP now is philo. Mayyyyyybe avarice if you're getting fed sub-10 minutes and want ghostblade.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
July 24 2012 03:53 GMT
#492
Back then people didn't really realize how good philo was (+ all the top laners who could fight were super bursty because it was the only way to break through everyone's infinite sustain, meaning philo's HP regen didn't do that much), so you might go 1-2 philo but usually you just stacked avarice blades (lol...).

And yes, the name is super offensive.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
July 24 2012 04:09 GMT
#493
On July 24 2012 12:53 UniversalSnip wrote:
Back then people didn't really realize how good philo was (+ all the top laners who could fight were super bursty because it was the only way to break through everyone's infinite sustain, meaning philo's HP regen didn't do that much), so you might go 1-2 philo but usually you just stacked avarice blades (lol...).

And yes, the name is super offensive.

you wanted the philo for mana regen more than anything iirc. Q costed a LOT of mana. It was something like 70 mana per Q at lvl 5. Not to mention if you were spamming E on cooldown you'd go oom really really fast w/out philos.
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
July 24 2012 05:38 GMT
#494
to me nothing beats hotshot gp build

philo chalice spirit visage LOL
cool beans
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-24 06:52:13
July 24 2012 06:50 GMT
#495
On July 24 2012 14:38 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
to me nothing beats hotshot gp build

philo chalice spirit visage LOL

That's actually not such a bad build if you have a though time in lane against a magic damage opponent, that build pretty much lets you always stay in lane and farm, tho I wouldn't really get a SV.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
July 24 2012 06:58 GMT
#496
ok that build lets you stay in lane and farm...and then what?
cool beans
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
July 24 2012 07:06 GMT
#497
On July 24 2012 15:58 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
ok that build lets you stay in lane and farm...and then what?


You really farmed so you dunk errything?

<_<
[N3O]r3d33m3r
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany673 Posts
July 24 2012 07:28 GMT
#498
On July 24 2012 09:17 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 08:06 Leonite7 wrote:
On July 23 2012 08:01 napo wrote:
This shit pretty awesome.
Been going double gp/10, aegis, zeke's. Man that build has so much potential, wouldnt have thought. Its the good guy gp build, always help team, never not help.


Huh, guess I must be using the scumbag bankplank build then, Philo, avarice, boots, glacial , warmogs, frozen heart, force of nature and then ghostblade selling the philo for space when needed and maybe getting either a tanky item or an ie or bt for more damage.

since gp5 arent unique anymore, jewplanks pretty much dead now

stop spreading misinformation please
wtf? you can have all the gp5 items on one champ, it's just you don't get the bonus if you have more than 1 of each.. like 2x philo or 2x hog. but you can have philo, hog, avarice, kage's and all of that gp5 will stack
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-24 07:46:10
July 24 2012 07:45 GMT
#499
On July 24 2012 15:58 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
ok that build lets you stay in lane and farm...and then what?

Get gold and kill people. Or you can get denied because you bought a "good" item and get bullied out of lane.
At above post, GP10 isn't unique. If it was unique you couldn't stack it, but you can.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-24 07:54:28
July 24 2012 07:53 GMT
#500
On July 24 2012 16:28 [N3O]r3d33m3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 09:17 arb wrote:
On July 23 2012 08:06 Leonite7 wrote:
On July 23 2012 08:01 napo wrote:
This shit pretty awesome.
Been going double gp/10, aegis, zeke's. Man that build has so much potential, wouldnt have thought. Its the good guy gp build, always help team, never not help.


Huh, guess I must be using the scumbag bankplank build then, Philo, avarice, boots, glacial , warmogs, frozen heart, force of nature and then ghostblade selling the philo for space when needed and maybe getting either a tanky item or an ie or bt for more damage.

since gp5 arent unique anymore, jewplanks pretty much dead now

stop spreading misinformation please
wtf? you can have all the gp5 items on one champ, it's just you don't get the bonus if you have more than 1 of each.. like 2x philo or 2x hog. but you can have philo, hog, avarice, kage's and all of that gp5 will stack

He was referring to before the gold generation component of gp/10 items became unique. Way back in the day, the gold generation passive wasn't unique so you could stack 2 philos and have the same gold generation as stacking a philo+hog now. Back then every champion (except maybe AD carries) and their mother would go some stupid shit like 2 philo+hog or 2 hog+philo then build real items since that crap was crazy efficient, cheap, and reliable.
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