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On November 22 2011 03:36 Mogwai wrote:
well, I'm not kidding. No one says Executioner's Calling is fucking amazing because of how situational it is. Stark's is in the same boat except that honestly, I would use Starks a lot less frequently than EC. Stark's is not a good item, it's about as useful as like, Thornmail, and I consider them both pretty much garbage except for extremely rare edge cases.
Nah, it's way better than you give it credit for. It's an amazing lategame support item, without a sliver of doubt. Any reasonable team composition should in fact have a Starks in their 5 man full build. As soon as ranged ADs truly become carries and casters fall off because people get too tanky, Starks shines.
I guess we shouldn't keep arguing about Starks specifically in this thread though...
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I've seen SK snoopeh building jungle critplank a couple times. Looks like Brawler's into Avarice then boots, warmogs/atma phage->Triforce but I'm not 100% sure. I've had success in a couple games but I'm having trouple clearing jungle quickly enough so I don't get too far behind...
I'm guessing building toward's wriggle's is a more jungle-centric build and the crit build (includes runes) is for early FBs?
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Ive been building GP solo top Like this ->
Heavy Damage top -> cloth+5 ->Tabi
Someone I am confident or want boots vs (Singed etc,) -> Boots+3 ->mercs
BF Sword or Pickaxe if I am still confident/doing well, Dorans Stack if lane is a bitch/I need to be safe.
Infinity Edge -> If enemy caster is being fed ->negatron, if AD ->chainmail if neither giants belt
Warmogs Rush into chainmail/negatron then Atmas then FoN
Last Whisper
How solid is my train of thought and build? I am only ~1200 but this has put me at 10-4 w/l, 96-49-136 k/d/a
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I don't think there any champ you need to go cloth 5 against because YOU are the giant asshole in lane. And how is a melee top gonna dominate GP? If he runs towards you, you Q him and he's fucked.
In my opinion you should always start boots 3 pots and then either go Wriggles (when you need sustain/armor) or 2-3 dorans (more agressive).
I think there are some people who go for an IE build for top GP but I honestly think Atmogs (or Fratmas if you're not doing well/need quick power) is the best because you have a much larger HP pool to be a giant asshole and tank damage and shoot people. Plus, lategame GP with Atmogs and Trinity/IE is stupid strong because you are tanky as fuck and do a billion damage.
And especially at lowers Elos Atmogs rush is by far the best, because your team is going to depend on you to iniatate/tank damage in most cases.
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On December 06 2011 04:16 Bladeorade wrote:
Ive been building GP solo top Like this ->
Heavy Damage top -> cloth+5 ->Tabi
Someone I am confident or want boots vs (Singed etc,) -> Boots+3 ->mercs
BF Sword or Pickaxe if I am still confident/doing well, Dorans Stack if lane is a bitch/I need to be safe.
Infinity Edge -> If enemy caster is being fed ->negatron, if AD ->chainmail if neither giants belt
Warmogs Rush into chainmail/negatron then Atmas then FoN
Last Whisper
How solid is my train of thought and build? I am only ~1200 but this has put me at 10-4 w/l, 96-49-136 k/d/a
how is it a rush if it's after an almost 4k gold item? lol
dont mind me tho, i have nothing constructive, and just being nitpicky
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Might it be a good idea to start a new thread for gangplank? The OP seems to be horribly outdated.
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In my personal experience warmogs into atmas after your first item is the way to go.
My original question was more for jungle though, I've tried it a few times and I feel really slow/weak and behind when jungling.
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On December 06 2011 05:02 mordek wrote:
In my personal experience warmogs into atmas after your first item is the way to go.
My original question was more for jungle though, I've tried it a few times and I feel really slow/weak and behind when jungling.
i think if u go for a largely camp-farming style of jungle play (as in, almost 0 ganking), then doing an atmogs build would be just fine imo. I've found that when i'm behind for w/e reason tho, giants belt -> atmas -> finish warmogs or Fmallet is pretty decent too, and kicks in a bit faster (tho overall you reach endgame a bit slower). Alternatively i have done phage > atmas -> zeal -> triforce -> some other hp/defence item to a decent amount of efficacy.
edit: all after wiggles ofc (we talking jungle here after alls)
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On December 06 2011 05:25 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 05:02 mordek wrote:
In my personal experience warmogs into atmas after your first item is the way to go.
My original question was more for jungle though, I've tried it a few times and I feel really slow/weak and behind when jungling. i think if u go for a largely camp-farming style of jungle play (as in, almost 0 ganking), then doing an atmogs build would be just fine imo. I've found that when i'm behind for w/e reason tho, giants belt -> atmas -> finish warmogs or Fmallet is pretty decent too, and kicks in a bit faster (tho overall you reach endgame a bit slower). Alternatively i have done phage > atmas -> zeal -> triforce -> some other hp/defence item to a decent amount of efficacy. edit: all after wiggles ofc (we talking jungle here after alls)
That makes sense. I've been skipping wriggles and getting avarice blade because I saw Snoopeh do it... heh. I think he pulls off more succesful ganks than I do though ^^
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On November 22 2011 04:09 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 03:36 Mogwai wrote:
well, I'm not kidding. No one says Executioner's Calling is fucking amazing because of how situational it is. Stark's is in the same boat except that honestly, I would use Starks a lot less frequently than EC. Stark's is not a good item, it's about as useful as like, Thornmail, and I consider them both pretty much garbage except for extremely rare edge cases. Nah, it's way better than you give it credit for. It's an amazing lategame support item, without a sliver of doubt. Any reasonable team composition should in fact have a Starks in their 5 man full build. As soon as ranged ADs truly become carries and casters fall off because people get too tanky, Starks shines. I guess we shouldn't keep arguing about Starks specifically in this thread though...
one of the top players ive seen builds emblem early in their support builds(cant remember which and was just looking at match history) its a good support item, but as a single person say like gp carrying it its kinda bad imo
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I'm thinking of buying GP to expand my jungling repertoire a bit, but I've been hearing some pretty conflicting accounts of how he plays with the new jungle in our subforum. I checked out Oddone's GP guide and the item build seems to be exactly the how top junglers seem to still build GP, but I'm wondering how the new mastery tree and the new jungle changes things up.
Also, what runes do you guys tend to use on GP for jungling?
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On December 11 2011 16:09 koreasilver wrote:
I'm thinking of buying GP to expand my jungling repertoire a bit, but I've been hearing some pretty conflicting accounts of how he plays with the new jungle in our subforum. I checked out Oddone's GP guide and the item build seems to be exactly the how top junglers seem to still build GP, but I'm wondering how the new mastery tree and the new jungle changes things up.
Also, what runes do you guys tend to use on GP for jungling?
Where'd you find the guide? I've only found the one with the old masteries :/
EDIT: Nvm found it
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You're both talking about the same guide. 21/9/0, 21/0/9, 9/12/9 all viable
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I've been thinking. What if you built a sword of the divine on gangplank? It adds 100 magic damage on it's 4th attack on the next attack (or abilitiy that applies on hit effects) at about half the price of trinity force. I think that if the item were rushed, then you could autoattack a minion three times and wait to shoot someone once for extra harass.
Is the effect not worth it?
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that sounds like a bad sheen
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On January 05 2012 07:27 De4ngus wrote:
that sounds like a bad sheen
sheen sounds like a bad bf sword. It adds around the same damage but doesn't help at all with EZ's or GP's autoattacks. The only reason people get sheen is to later get a Trin Force.
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Hmm about gangplank, what on earth beats him on lane? From my experience in every single game with a gangplank solo top, if he's not totally terrible, he'll end up at least out-CSing the enemy or possibly even killing them. People have said that Irelia counters him and that Riven counters him, but from what I've seen he's fine against both.
If the enemy team picked gangplank for solo top, what would you guys pick to go against him?
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On January 05 2012 08:47 starfries wrote:
Pantheon?
Huh really? I don't see how GP couldn't farm vs him and lategame he destroys panth in being useful.
Nasus hmm I don't think so, gang can trade way too well straight from lvl 1 by just running up to him and autoing and spamming parrrley, I don't see how nasus could get comparable creepkills
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