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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On January 05 2012 08:51 Shikyo wrote: Huh really? I don't see how GP couldn't farm vs him and lategame he destroys panth in being useful. trying to farm vs Pantheon means he'll just kill you. I dunno, it's a Pantheon thing. edit: ok that wasn't helpful lol but the next post pretty much covered it anyways | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On January 05 2012 08:51 Shikyo wrote: Huh really? I don't see how GP couldn't farm vs him and lategame he destroys panth in being useful. Nasus hmm I don't think so, gang can trade way too well straight from lvl 1 by just running up to him and autoing and spamming parrrley, I don't see how nasus could get comparable creepkills Have fun trying to farm against pantheon. He will push you out of lane with absolute ease and his passive hardcounters your only form of counter harass. If you're both trying to farm, he gets it without any worries besides ganks(If you autoattack to knock his shield down he Ws you so you can't parley and you lose the exchange to his spear) while you're constantly taking high damage spears. He WILL bully you out of lane unless you get massive jungle help. The only way I can see beating him is pink warding against him and demanding ganks, and that's not really beating him. | ||
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
On January 05 2012 09:04 TwoToneTerran wrote: Have fun trying to farm against pantheon. He will push you out of lane with absolute ease and his passive hardcounters your only form of counter harass. If you're both trying to farm, he gets it without any worries besides ganks(If you autoattack to knock his shield down he Ws you so you can't parley and you lose the exchange to his spear) while you're constantly taking high damage spears. He WILL bully you out of lane unless you get massive jungle help. The only way I can see beating him is pink warding against him and demanding ganks, and that's not really beating him. can't you parlay after the stun ? Or am i missing something | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On January 05 2012 09:46 Perplex wrote: can't you parlay after the stun ? Or am i missing something auto brings his passive back up, so no | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On January 05 2012 09:46 Perplex wrote: can't you parlay after the stun ? Or am i missing something You get the shield up by autoattack creeps and spearing gangplank, when he autos you to take your shield down, you w him so that your shield comes back up (this is the secondary effect of his stun). GP can't parley you and is now taking minion aggro thanks to autoattacking you and getting stunned. Spear him as he runs away and go back to last hitting, or autoattack and spear him after the stun if his minion wave is low. He can't do shit to you until he gets his ult, and even then he can't do much unless he gets absurdly lucky with cannon balls. | ||
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Mor1anz
50 Posts
On January 05 2012 08:24 Shikyo wrote: Hmm about gangplank, what on earth beats him on lane? From my experience in every single game with a gangplank solo top, if he's not totally terrible, he'll end up at least out-CSing the enemy or possibly even killing them. People have said that Irelia counters him and that Riven counters him, but from what I've seen he's fine against both. If the enemy team picked gangplank for solo top, what would you guys pick to go against him? got like 150 games with gp in goldleague+ You'd pick either irelia or pantheon as mentioned, riven or even nidalee would do aswell. However the problem with counter picking gp is that you can pick a stronger laner, but makeing sure he cant farm properly is near impossible. Then most of the counters are easily outdone by gps utility in the lategame. About the pantheon discussion, if you just build defensively(rushing wiggles usually is enough to subtain), play flash teleport and dont ever bother Qing him you will end up with just fine farm. More often then not you'll end up with little cs behind of panth, and 1-2 assists from ultis on other lanes, setting up for a way better endgame then him. Besides to get anything done on you pantheon usually runs with flash + offensive spell, so you can just opt to be all over the map more then him with ur tele and ulties. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
GP's an overall more rounded guy but if you let pantheon free farm he'll just push lane and gank other lanes, and pantheon ganks are some of the best in the game. Shame if the game goes past 20 minutes and he doesn't have 3-4 kills and good farm he's useless. | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Wala.Revolution
7584 Posts
On January 05 2012 16:44 Kaniol wrote: Jarvan does really well vs gp as well I dislike jarv vs gp because I play him as someone who has very high kill potential. Because of gp passive I can't get q auto combos off at level 1, and later levels he has equal if not more damage with q e and passive. Also I once saw gp w jarvan knockup. Anyone else see it? | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Agaz
Norway11 Posts
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 07 2012 02:32 JackDino wrote: GP vs nidalee, nida opens cloth5, takes no dmg from Q and always spams autos, wat do? There was a game on stream where Dan Dinh started cloth+5pot, maxed W first, and got Wriggle's. Basically just matched her on sustain, farmed, and then was infinitely more useful lategame. | ||
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Neon_Monkey
United States270 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On January 07 2012 02:44 Neon_Monkey wrote: In my experience vlad and swain dominate GP in lane. Nasus with armor seals/quints gets a free farm lane which is essentially a counter. Pantheon basically has the same harass as GP but has his shield to block parrley, giving him a big advantage. Irelia is very good vs him but if either makes a few mistakes the other will snowball out of control. A good nid will beat GP, but a mediocre nid will probably feed him. How would vlad beat GP in lane? GP can open dblade or boots+3, show up to lane and start spammin parrley all day. Vlad can't nearly sustain GP's harass and will get pushed out before lvl 6 and be really behind. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On January 07 2012 02:32 JackDino wrote: GP vs nidalee, nida opens cloth5, takes no dmg from Q and always spams autos, wat do? I just go philo hog -> wriggle's and max W and farm on my tower. *shrug*, it's my default vs. any really hard matchup with GP. the heal numbers on W are really pretty dumb. | ||
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Neon_Monkey
United States270 Posts
On January 07 2012 03:38 Ryuu314 wrote: How would vlad beat GP in lane? GP can open dblade or boots+3, show up to lane and start spammin parrley all day. Vlad can't nearly sustain GP's harass and will get pushed out before lvl 6 and be really behind. If you go armor seals+quints and the 6 armor from masteries (could even start cloth+5 if you feel like it....) an auto attack with even a low level transfuse will trade well against a parrrley; once you get to a higher lvl GP can't do anything. | ||
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icemanzdoinwork
447 Posts
armor seals/quints/masteries/cloth 5 E when he uses Q on you. Wait til he runs out of mana. Win lane. | ||
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