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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
August 10 2015 18:07 GMT
#41
On August 11 2015 03:01 Cazimirbzh wrote:
@[UoN]Sentinel
Only korean are not bad a this game :p All we can is try to help because we love the game but atm there is not mutch to do except to wait for LOTV.

HotS is in a really good state right now, now would actually be a good time to do builds. For example, I think between ASUS ROG and the tutorial video by PtitDrogo, there's enough to make a French PvZ guide. I might get on that, I've used it a bit, I obviously don't understand it at tournament level, but at least I know what's supposed to be going on at every stage.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
DuckloadBlackra
Profile Joined July 2011
225 Posts
August 10 2015 18:08 GMT
#42
On August 10 2015 20:31 djwaters22 wrote:
It is not fun for a brand new player to be linked a website of specific build orders. Kids are lazy these days. So the way to fix this issue is by making another game mode named "Build Order Mode". This would be great for new players because they could learn very basic builds. Full story below-->



This would be really good for high level players too who want to learn new builds.

IMO this is the most important mode that's completely missing from SC2. It would be a huge help to people of all levels to implement something like this. Also give the option to the players to type in their own build order or import from a website or whatever and play through it.
Yiome
Profile Joined February 2014
China1687 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 18:42:26
August 10 2015 18:37 GMT
#43
Blizzard's partner in China, Netease, actually made a mobile app that has a lot of useful builds.
You can turn on this app at the start of the match and it will reminds you when to build what.
http://sc2.163.com/fg/
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Weird blizzard themselves did not come up with something similar and put it ingame though.
Edit: add a pic of the build order training part of the app
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
August 10 2015 18:57 GMT
#44
On August 11 2015 03:37 Yiome wrote:
Blizzard's partner in China, Netease, actually made a mobile app that has a lot of useful builds.
You can turn on this app at the start of the match and it will reminds you when to build what.
http://sc2.163.com/fg/
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Weird blizzard themselves did not come up with something similar and put it ingame though.
Edit: add a pic of the build order training part of the app

I find it kinda funny that their picture of an assimilator is the depleted variety.
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TiberiusAk
Profile Joined August 2011
United States122 Posts
August 10 2015 19:09 GMT
#45
Blizzard has already written a lot of the code for this because the user interface already exists in the game--it's how the HotS "Training" works (to try it, go to "Matchmaking" and then select the option furthest to the left). I did it a long time ago, but I think it even gave you extra alerts when you have idle workers and stuff. I'm all for this being added to the main game (maybe only in unranked) and letting users upload and select builds, ala the DotA 2 system.
"I like the new weapon, it's solid removal with a really nice deathrattle in a mech deck. The murloc is a little confusing though, not sure why they thought shamans needed a murloc."
djwaters22
Profile Joined August 2014
112 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-11 09:47:25
August 10 2015 22:11 GMT
#46
Wow this has gotten a lot of positive feedback! So I took everyone's advice and make both a battlenet post and a reddit post. I hope you will support it!

battle.net: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/18301009470#1

reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/3gfjye/blizzard_add_a_learners_build_order_mode/
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 22:23:11
August 10 2015 22:19 GMT
#47
Just auto-add the most common build from the latest GSL, there should be statistical tools to automate that kinda thing right? :p

edit: also I strongly agree with this, even if it's just vs AI or something. I recently found a couple of "audio builds" for a race I dont normally played and after a few tries I could almost nail a few elementary 2 base allins, which felt very rewarding.
maru G5L pls
djwaters22
Profile Joined August 2014
112 Posts
August 10 2015 22:42 GMT
#48
On August 11 2015 07:19 neptunusfisk wrote:
Just auto-add the most common build from the latest GSL, there should be statistical tools to automate that kinda thing right? :p

edit: also I strongly agree with this, even if it's just vs AI or something. I recently found a couple of "audio builds" for a race I dont normally played and after a few tries I could almost nail a few elementary 2 base allins, which felt very rewarding.


so many good ideas!
Nuclease
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1049 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 23:02:43
August 10 2015 22:55 GMT
#49
On August 10 2015 20:58 Blargh wrote:
Oh my god, yes. They absolutely need to implement one of these. This game needs it WAY more than any other game in existence. There needs to be something better than just watching a replay, and writing a build order down with supply for timings.

As someone who has solid decision making, and macro/micro, the hardest part for me, especially for getting BACK into the game, is finding/coming up with a totally viable build order. When I come back to the game after long periods of time, I forget original build orders, and am not familiar with current metas. It would be so convenient for there to be an easy way to pick up recent build orders that pros have already refined, without the heavy and tedious replay analysis.

I swear this is one of the best changes they can make for keeping a large casual userbase.


Bold, italic, and underlined.

Getting back into this game is a nightmare and the biggest reason by far, at least for me, is build orders

EDIT: Just went on the Bnet post and voiced my support in a pretty lengthy response. I want this feature!
Zealots, not zee-lots. | Never forget, KTViolet, Go)Space. | You will never be as good as By.Flash, and your drops will never be as sick as MMA.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8302 Posts
August 10 2015 23:46 GMT
#50
Can confirm this is a fantastic idea. Build orders make such a huge difference, and in addition to helping you learn timings they help you a lot with other skills: constantly building workers, not getting supply blocked, macro mechanics, usually scouting, and pushing.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
TimeSpiral
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1010 Posts
August 11 2015 00:30 GMT
#51
Or you could use the currently existing Benchmarker Extension mod by Solasce: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-maps/460632-benchmarker-beta

A few modifications to this mod and you essentially have what you're looking for.

Google "Starcraft 2 build order tool" and you will have dozens of options to choose from.

This has always felt like something the community would handle, not Blizzard. +$0.02
[G] Positioning, Formations, and Tactics: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=187892
djwaters22
Profile Joined August 2014
112 Posts
August 11 2015 01:01 GMT
#52
On August 11 2015 09:30 TimeSpiral wrote:
Or you could use the currently existing Benchmarker Extension mod by Solasce: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-maps/460632-benchmarker-beta

A few modifications to this mod and you essentially have what you're looking for.

Google "Starcraft 2 build order tool" and you will have dozens of options to choose from.

This has always felt like something the community would handle, not Blizzard. +$0.02


That is very cool indeed. I do think new players are to lazy to go out of the game though. I wish blizzard would use your model.
Little-Chimp
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada948 Posts
August 11 2015 02:39 GMT
#53
Just wanted to contribute and say this is a fantastic idea. I would love to use some of this for off racing.
SecretSnail
Profile Joined March 2014
France12 Posts
August 11 2015 06:04 GMT
#54
What about lan mode ?
I am the great Jack.
djwaters22
Profile Joined August 2014
112 Posts
August 11 2015 06:07 GMT
#55
On August 11 2015 15:04 SecretSnail wrote:
What about lan mode ?

Does this mean like two computers connected without internet? I use to have that on diablo 2 back in the day.
Nuclease
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1049 Posts
August 11 2015 07:03 GMT
#56
On August 11 2015 15:07 djwaters22 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2015 15:04 SecretSnail wrote:
What about lan mode ?

Does this mean like two computers connected without internet? I use to have that on diablo 2 back in the day.


Local Area Network.

I think we're all over the LAN thing since the chant at BlizzCon of GIVE US LAN! GIVE US LAN! when that one team league or GSL finals didn't go over well.
Zealots, not zee-lots. | Never forget, KTViolet, Go)Space. | You will never be as good as By.Flash, and your drops will never be as sick as MMA.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
August 11 2015 07:24 GMT
#57
On August 11 2015 16:03 Nuclease wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2015 15:07 djwaters22 wrote:
On August 11 2015 15:04 SecretSnail wrote:
What about lan mode ?

Does this mean like two computers connected without internet? I use to have that on diablo 2 back in the day.


Local Area Network.

I think we're all over the LAN thing since the chant at BlizzCon of GIVE US LAN! GIVE US LAN! when that one team league or GSL finals didn't go over well.


prime vs startale never forget
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Nuclease
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1049 Posts
August 11 2015 15:20 GMT
#58
On August 11 2015 16:24 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2015 16:03 Nuclease wrote:
On August 11 2015 15:07 djwaters22 wrote:
On August 11 2015 15:04 SecretSnail wrote:
What about lan mode ?

Does this mean like two computers connected without internet? I use to have that on diablo 2 back in the day.


Local Area Network.

I think we're all over the LAN thing since the chant at BlizzCon of GIVE US LAN! GIVE US LAN! when that one team league or GSL finals didn't go over well.


prime vs startale never forget


Indeed, indeed.

One of the funniest moments in eSports I've ever witnessed that's for sure.
Zealots, not zee-lots. | Never forget, KTViolet, Go)Space. | You will never be as good as By.Flash, and your drops will never be as sick as MMA.
[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
August 11 2015 17:19 GMT
#59
I don't know if this is the best idea.

Imagine you are a newbie and want to play this strategy game. Then you see, that there is this BO thing which asks you to play for the next minutes as the computer asks you. Do you feel like an actual player, or like a robot?
You don't choose to play zerg. The zerg choose you.
Blacklizard
Profile Joined May 2007
United States1194 Posts
August 11 2015 18:01 GMT
#60
Great idea, seriously. This could bring in people who have never even played and RTS and get them in the game at least.
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