On July 21 2015 20:32 Salteador Neo wrote: ^ The Liberator was actually designed to be viable as a massable air unit. Blizz words.
The fact that this thing and the cyclone both overshadow the already unused (and iconic) siege tank is sad IMO.
Yeah. Massable all-around units. Not in the spirit of mech in the slightest. Styles should have weaknesses you have to get around, and air vulnerability was one of the most well-done aspects of mech. I'm quite convinced mech should be made viable with a stronger and more versatile ground army that would help make siege tank play strong, rather than give strong anti-air tools and say "see, mech is viable now". Mass cyclones is not mech just like mass thors is not mech. It's a deathball made from factories with tech labs.
Anyone tried something like ling/bling/corruptor into Broodlord/Viper against bio/liberator yet? Sounds like the way to go (but it's pure theorycraft; haven't tried myself)
I agree about the Tank and Libs, but people, Tank does SPLASH damage when Sieged... Libs only SINGLE TARGET damage.
That is a huge difference to start of... also Libs will be nerfed for sure. The problem with Tank is that it can be easily overwhelmed by ground quick units that run at it usually, while Libs ignore that issue being flying... specially on early stages of the game. But I Agreee that Siege Tanks are a lot more "micreable" now thanks to the Medivac (and I still do't like the drop on Siege mode, I want a pikup on Siege but drop standard)
I think Blizz should have used the "bonus vs Shield" on Tanks instead Widow Mines in hots, and they didn't...
On July 21 2015 20:36 [PkF] Wire wrote: Mass cyclones is not mech just like mass thors is not mech. It's a deathball made from factories with tech labs.
I completely agree. Cruising around on the map with a cyclone/hellion army feels like playing protoss. Anything that does not involve the siege tank as its core unit is not mech. I fear with the introduction of the liberator Blizzard has robbed themself of any opportunity to let the tank do its job, that is provide space control you cannot just amove into. Cause whos gonna break a line of liberators and buffed tanks?
On July 21 2015 20:49 Sogetsu wrote: I agree about the Tank and Libs, but people, Tank does SPLASH damage when Sieged... Libs only SINGLE TARGET damage.
That is a huge difference to start of.
Sure, but the main point here is that liberators, even in small numbers, provide space control, something the tank should be able to do but utterly fails at. A few well set up libs will prevent an opponent from engaging a certain position while a few well set up tanks will just get roflstomped because they do no damage and roll over and die when looked at funny. Oh, and they do all that for 3 supply, while the liberator costs 2.
I would like to test the following changes to mech:
Swap supply of liberator and tank. Increase siege and unsiege time of the liberator. It is about space control, so you should get punished for controlling the wrong space. Give tank back its old damage. Tanks picked up by medivacs get dropped unsieged. Swap health of cyclone and tank. Nerf the cyclone ground attack by changing it to something ok-ish similar to the viking ground attack. Give cyclone AA at armory tech. Remove bio tag from hellbats.
Now you have mech centered around a strong tank with helpful utility units that help your composition but should not be massed unless in certain situations.
On July 21 2015 20:47 Big J wrote: Anyone tried something like ling/bling/corruptor into Broodlord/Viper against bio/liberator yet? Sounds like the way to go (but it's pure theorycraft; haven't tried myself)
What part of you dont get to spire vs hellbat push + Liberator dont you understand ? If you go 2 base muta you will be able to defend it but you get so far behind that you die to the next bio push.
Because 2 base terran > 2 base zerg, zerg always has to have 1 base more then terran or protoss.
On July 21 2015 20:49 Sogetsu wrote: I agree about the Tank and Libs, but people, Tank does SPLASH damage when Sieged... Libs only SINGLE TARGET damage.
That is a huge difference to start of... also Libs will be nerfed for sure. The problem with Tank is that it can be easily overwhelmed by ground quick units that run at it usually, while Libs ignore that issue being flying... specially on early stages of the game. But I Agreee that Siege Tanks are a lot more "micreable" now thanks to the Medivac (and I still do't like the drop on Siege mode, I want a pikup on Siege but drop standard)
I think Blizz should have used the "bonus vs Shield" on Tanks instead Widow Mines in hots, and they didn't...
Splash is the only pro for tanks, everything else is cons.
Libs alone kill stuff and then get away because they fly. Tanks alone hurt a bit of stuff and then die.
Libs in anti-air mode counter mutas and phoenixes. Poor Tanks can't hit air period.
On July 21 2015 20:47 Big J wrote: Anyone tried something like ling/bling/corruptor into Broodlord/Viper against bio/liberator yet? Sounds like the way to go (but it's pure theorycraft; haven't tried myself)
What part of you dont get to spire vs hellbat push + Liberator dont you understand ? If you go 2 base muta you will be able to defend it but you get so far behind that you die to the next bio push.
Because 2 base terran > 2 base zerg, zerg always has to have 1 base more then terran or protoss.
You are essentially right, although the tone of your post is unnecessary. The reason 2 base muta works in hots is because you take the economic hit to get the mutas out and then apply pressure while taking a third behind it. The reason it doesn't work in lotv is because you can't apply any pressure since the liberators are being produced 2 at a time and easily shut down the usual 8-10 mutas you would get, then you just die to the 3 base push.
I tried corrupters they suck too, you can defend the liberator "rushes" with 2 base spire but since you can't apply any pressure with the spire units so the terran is free to expand and then just use the edge they have to kill you with a push. I have killed high level terrans playing liberators with 2 base spire but its more because they fucked up and lost like 4 liberators for free.
On July 21 2015 20:47 Big J wrote: Anyone tried something like ling/bling/corruptor into Broodlord/Viper against bio/liberator yet? Sounds like the way to go (but it's pure theorycraft; haven't tried myself)
What part of you dont get to spire vs hellbat push + Liberator dont you understand ? If you go 2 base muta you will be able to defend it but you get so far behind that you die to the next bio push.
Because 2 base terran > 2 base zerg, zerg always has to have 1 base more then terran or protoss.
On July 21 2015 20:47 Big J wrote: Anyone tried something like ling/bling/corruptor into Broodlord/Viper against bio/liberator yet? Sounds like the way to go (but it's pure theorycraft; haven't tried myself)
What part of you dont get to spire vs hellbat push + Liberator dont you understand ? If you go 2 base muta you will be able to defend it but you get so far behind that you die to the next bio push.
Because 2 base terran > 2 base zerg, zerg always has to have 1 base more then terran or protoss.
You are essentially right, although the tone of your post is unnecessary. The reason 2 base muta works in hots is because you take the economic hit to get the mutas out and then apply pressure while taking a third behind it. The reason it doesn't work in lotv is because you can't apply any pressure since the liberators are being produced 2 at a time and easily shut down the usual 8-10 mutas you would get, then you just die to the 3 base push.
I tried corrupters they suck too, you can defend the liberator "rushes" with 2 base spire but since you can't apply any pressure with the spire units the terran is free to expand and then just use the edge they have to kill you with a push. I have killed high level terrans playing liberators with 2 base spire but its more because they fucked up and lost like 4 liberators for free.
Im sorry for my tone but some of this people here have no idea of what they talk. Many of them dont even play LotV and come with some strange ideas just to make and argument and let their main race have some Imba strat.
Im my view all races have at this point an imba start but the most obivous ones are.
overlord drop ( mainly powerfull vs protoss ) 4 gate adepts and 2 other early adept all ins liberator + hellbat push mass cyclone + hellions flying tanks ( their working on a nerf accoring to david kim )
Overall Terran mech is very imba and it annoys me that blizzard is buffing it instead of seeing the real problems... like making the siege tank into a harass tool instad of being a siege unit like it was in BW
Its such a bad joke with some of the new units... their design is really bad.
On July 21 2015 20:47 Big J wrote: Anyone tried something like ling/bling/corruptor into Broodlord/Viper against bio/liberator yet? Sounds like the way to go (but it's pure theorycraft; haven't tried myself)
What part of you dont get to spire vs hellbat push + Liberator dont you understand ? If you go 2 base muta you will be able to defend it but you get so far behind that you die to the next bio push.
Because 2 base terran > 2 base zerg, zerg always has to have 1 base more then terran or protoss.
Try roaches and ravagers, kkkk
Ravagers dont work, the ability is to slow, and has only 8-9 range, he can dodge with 2 liberators all day since they buffed the time of switch from AA to ground mode. They broke the Liberator its way to OP
On July 21 2015 20:47 Big J wrote: Anyone tried something like ling/bling/corruptor into Broodlord/Viper against bio/liberator yet? Sounds like the way to go (but it's pure theorycraft; haven't tried myself)
What part of you dont get to spire vs hellbat push + Liberator dont you understand ? If you go 2 base muta you will be able to defend it but you get so far behind that you die to the next bio push.
Because 2 base terran > 2 base zerg, zerg always has to have 1 base more then terran or protoss.
Try roaches and ravagers, kkkk
Ravagers dont work, the ability is to slow, and has only 8-9 range, he can dodge with 2 liberators all day since they buffed the time of switch from AA to ground mode. They broke the Liberator its way to OP
Two Master/GM players have now told you that they currently defend early liberators with ravagers. If you don't believe it, I can't help you. You better bring out some replays how ravager defense fails then.
On July 21 2015 12:06 GGzerG wrote: I think they make going Mutalisks completely pointless, but if you have good Ravenger micro, you can usually kill the liberators / push them away from what I have experienced.
On July 21 2015 20:47 Big J wrote: Anyone tried something like ling/bling/corruptor into Broodlord/Viper against bio/liberator yet? Sounds like the way to go (but it's pure theorycraft; haven't tried myself)
What part of you dont get to spire vs hellbat push + Liberator dont you understand ? If you go 2 base muta you will be able to defend it but you get so far behind that you die to the next bio push.
Because 2 base terran > 2 base zerg, zerg always has to have 1 base more then terran or protoss.
Try roaches and ravagers, kkkk
Ravagers dont work, the ability is to slow, and has only 8-9 range, he can dodge with 2 liberators all day since they buffed the time of switch from AA to ground mode. They broke the Liberator its way to OP
Two Master/GM players have now told you that they currently defend early liberators with ravagers. If you don't believe it, I can't help you. You better bring out some replays how ravager defense fails then.
On July 21 2015 12:06 GGzerG wrote: I think they make going Mutalisks completely pointless, but if you have good Ravenger micro, you can usually kill the liberators / push them away from what I have experienced.
So you can actually defend with a unit that costs 200 Resources early on? That sounds amazing, i bet you are ahead after going fast Ravager, right?
On July 21 2015 20:47 Big J wrote: Anyone tried something like ling/bling/corruptor into Broodlord/Viper against bio/liberator yet? Sounds like the way to go (but it's pure theorycraft; haven't tried myself)
What part of you dont get to spire vs hellbat push + Liberator dont you understand ? If you go 2 base muta you will be able to defend it but you get so far behind that you die to the next bio push.
Because 2 base terran > 2 base zerg, zerg always has to have 1 base more then terran or protoss.
Try roaches and ravagers, kkkk
Ravagers dont work, the ability is to slow, and has only 8-9 range, he can dodge with 2 liberators all day since they buffed the time of switch from AA to ground mode. They broke the Liberator its way to OP
Two Master/GM players have now told you that they currently defend early liberators with ravagers. If you don't believe it, I can't help you. You better bring out some replays how ravager defense fails then.
On July 21 2015 12:06 GGzerG wrote: I think they make going Mutalisks completely pointless, but if you have good Ravenger micro, you can usually kill the liberators / push them away from what I have experienced.
So you can actually defend with a unit that costs 200 Resources early on? That sounds amazing, i bet you are ahead after going fast Ravager, right?
Remember you are defending a unit that costs 300 resources. I've been wondering about going for a heavier queen style (4-6 queens) has anyone tried that?
On July 21 2015 20:47 Big J wrote: Anyone tried something like ling/bling/corruptor into Broodlord/Viper against bio/liberator yet? Sounds like the way to go (but it's pure theorycraft; haven't tried myself)
What part of you dont get to spire vs hellbat push + Liberator dont you understand ? If you go 2 base muta you will be able to defend it but you get so far behind that you die to the next bio push.
Because 2 base terran > 2 base zerg, zerg always has to have 1 base more then terran or protoss.
Try roaches and ravagers, kkkk
Ravagers dont work, the ability is to slow, and has only 8-9 range, he can dodge with 2 liberators all day since they buffed the time of switch from AA to ground mode. They broke the Liberator its way to OP
Two Master/GM players have now told you that they currently defend early liberators with ravagers. If you don't believe it, I can't help you. You better bring out some replays how ravager defense fails then.
On July 21 2015 12:06 GGzerG wrote: I think they make going Mutalisks completely pointless, but if you have good Ravenger micro, you can usually kill the liberators / push them away from what I have experienced.
So you can actually defend with a unit that costs 200 Resources early on? That sounds amazing, i bet you are ahead after going fast Ravager, right?
Remember you are defending a unit that costs 300 resources. I've been wondering about going for a heavier queen style (4-6 queens) has anyone tried that?
On July 21 2015 20:47 Big J wrote: Anyone tried something like ling/bling/corruptor into Broodlord/Viper against bio/liberator yet? Sounds like the way to go (but it's pure theorycraft; haven't tried myself)
What part of you dont get to spire vs hellbat push + Liberator dont you understand ? If you go 2 base muta you will be able to defend it but you get so far behind that you die to the next bio push.
Because 2 base terran > 2 base zerg, zerg always has to have 1 base more then terran or protoss.
Try roaches and ravagers, kkkk
Ravagers dont work, the ability is to slow, and has only 8-9 range, he can dodge with 2 liberators all day since they buffed the time of switch from AA to ground mode. They broke the Liberator its way to OP
Two Master/GM players have now told you that they currently defend early liberators with ravagers. If you don't believe it, I can't help you. You better bring out some replays how ravager defense fails then.
On July 21 2015 12:06 GGzerG wrote: I think they make going Mutalisks completely pointless, but if you have good Ravenger micro, you can usually kill the liberators / push them away from what I have experienced.
So you can actually defend with a unit that costs 200 Resources early on? That sounds amazing, i bet you are ahead after going fast Ravager, right?
Remember you are defending a unit that costs 300 resources. I've been wondering about going for a heavier queen style (4-6 queens) has anyone tried that?
No you dont defend 300 resources. You die. You wont go ravager and defend against hellbats as well.
On July 21 2015 20:47 Big J wrote: Anyone tried something like ling/bling/corruptor into Broodlord/Viper against bio/liberator yet? Sounds like the way to go (but it's pure theorycraft; haven't tried myself)
What part of you dont get to spire vs hellbat push + Liberator dont you understand ? If you go 2 base muta you will be able to defend it but you get so far behind that you die to the next bio push.
Because 2 base terran > 2 base zerg, zerg always has to have 1 base more then terran or protoss.
Try roaches and ravagers, kkkk
Ravagers dont work, the ability is to slow, and has only 8-9 range, he can dodge with 2 liberators all day since they buffed the time of switch from AA to ground mode. They broke the Liberator its way to OP
Two Master/GM players have now told you that they currently defend early liberators with ravagers. If you don't believe it, I can't help you. You better bring out some replays how ravager defense fails then.
On July 21 2015 12:06 GGzerG wrote: I think they make going Mutalisks completely pointless, but if you have good Ravenger micro, you can usually kill the liberators / push them away from what I have experienced.
So you can actually defend with a unit that costs 200 Resources early on? That sounds amazing, i bet you are ahead after going fast Ravager, right?
Remember you are defending a unit that costs 300 resources. I've been wondering about going for a heavier queen style (4-6 queens) has anyone tried that?
They rape queens
If they get to the ATG mode in a good position, Queens are 2 shotted not one shot and I think you'd have 2 transfuses when it hits with a 4-6 queen style. I think (going off numbers haven't tried the style wanted to know if anyone else has) that 5/6 queens has enough DPS to kill a liberator before it manages to get to ATG.
I've not tried Ravager, how effective is it and what's the composition afterwards?
On July 21 2015 20:47 Big J wrote: Anyone tried something like ling/bling/corruptor into Broodlord/Viper against bio/liberator yet? Sounds like the way to go (but it's pure theorycraft; haven't tried myself)
What part of you dont get to spire vs hellbat push + Liberator dont you understand ? If you go 2 base muta you will be able to defend it but you get so far behind that you die to the next bio push.
Because 2 base terran > 2 base zerg, zerg always has to have 1 base more then terran or protoss.
Try roaches and ravagers, kkkk
Ravagers dont work, the ability is to slow, and has only 8-9 range, he can dodge with 2 liberators all day since they buffed the time of switch from AA to ground mode. They broke the Liberator its way to OP
Two Master/GM players have now told you that they currently defend early liberators with ravagers. If you don't believe it, I can't help you. You better bring out some replays how ravager defense fails then.
On July 21 2015 12:06 GGzerG wrote: I think they make going Mutalisks completely pointless, but if you have good Ravenger micro, you can usually kill the liberators / push them away from what I have experienced.
So you can actually defend with a unit that costs 200 Resources early on? That sounds amazing, i bet you are ahead after going fast Ravager, right?
Remember you are defending a unit that costs 300 resources. I've been wondering about going for a heavier queen style (4-6 queens) has anyone tried that?
They rape queens
If they get to the ATG mode in a good position, Queens are 2 shotted not one shot and I think you'd have 2 transfuses when it hits with a 4-6 queen style. I think (going off numbers haven't tried the style wanted to know if anyone else has) that 5/6 queens has enough DPS to kill a liberator before it manages to get to ATG.
I've not tried Ravager, how effective is it and what's the composition afterwards?
Its 15 range and if he postions between the space of your 2 and 3 you wont have creep, you will move slow and he will kill your queens.
Do you even play LotV, cuz i see you throwing some ideas that are so..... lets say impractical ? Have you even watched the red bull torunament where qxc won 6 times in a row with liberators.... one match where 6 queens where sniped by 1 liberator before even getting to hit it and he used transfuse to.
At least try using that in LotV and then post... cuz man its so dumb.
The only way its 2 base muta but you died to a bio push after that. Basically the Terran has to be really bad at the game or you must be in plat or something to work.
On July 21 2015 20:47 Big J wrote: Anyone tried something like ling/bling/corruptor into Broodlord/Viper against bio/liberator yet? Sounds like the way to go (but it's pure theorycraft; haven't tried myself)
What part of you dont get to spire vs hellbat push + Liberator dont you understand ? If you go 2 base muta you will be able to defend it but you get so far behind that you die to the next bio push.
Because 2 base terran > 2 base zerg, zerg always has to have 1 base more then terran or protoss.
Try roaches and ravagers, kkkk
Ravagers dont work, the ability is to slow, and has only 8-9 range, he can dodge with 2 liberators all day since they buffed the time of switch from AA to ground mode. They broke the Liberator its way to OP
Two Master/GM players have now told you that they currently defend early liberators with ravagers. If you don't believe it, I can't help you. You better bring out some replays how ravager defense fails then.
On July 21 2015 12:06 GGzerG wrote: I think they make going Mutalisks completely pointless, but if you have good Ravenger micro, you can usually kill the liberators / push them away from what I have experienced.
And im telling you, it doesnt work, go try it out and see it.
On July 21 2015 20:47 Big J wrote: Anyone tried something like ling/bling/corruptor into Broodlord/Viper against bio/liberator yet? Sounds like the way to go (but it's pure theorycraft; haven't tried myself)
What part of you dont get to spire vs hellbat push + Liberator dont you understand ? If you go 2 base muta you will be able to defend it but you get so far behind that you die to the next bio push.
Because 2 base terran > 2 base zerg, zerg always has to have 1 base more then terran or protoss.
Try roaches and ravagers, kkkk
Ravagers dont work, the ability is to slow, and has only 8-9 range, he can dodge with 2 liberators all day since they buffed the time of switch from AA to ground mode. They broke the Liberator its way to OP
Two Master/GM players have now told you that they currently defend early liberators with ravagers. If you don't believe it, I can't help you. You better bring out some replays how ravager defense fails then.
On July 21 2015 12:06 GGzerG wrote: I think they make going Mutalisks completely pointless, but if you have good Ravenger micro, you can usually kill the liberators / push them away from what I have experienced.
So you can actually defend with a unit that costs 200 Resources early on? That sounds amazing, i bet you are ahead after going fast Ravager, right?
Remember you are defending a unit that costs 300 resources. I've been wondering about going for a heavier queen style (4-6 queens) has anyone tried that?
They rape queens
If they get to the ATG mode in a good position, Queens are 2 shotted not one shot and I think you'd have 2 transfuses when it hits with a 4-6 queen style. I think (going off numbers haven't tried the style wanted to know if anyone else has) that 5/6 queens has enough DPS to kill a liberator before it manages to get to ATG.
I've not tried Ravager, how effective is it and what's the composition afterwards?
its 15 range and if he postions between the space of your 2 and 3 you wont have creep, you will move slow and he will kill your queens.
Do you even play LotV, cuz i see you thraw some ideas that are so lets say impractical ? Have you even watched the red bull torunament where 6 queens where sniped by 1 liberator before even getting to hit it and he used transfuse to.
At least try using that in LotV and then post... cuz man its so dumb.
If you're going for a 4-6 queen style you will easily have creep between your natural and third base. Slightly rich about throwing impractical ideas around, as I said I've not tried going 4-6 queens and was wondering if anyone had tried the style and how it fared, I'm not asserting that it's the best style or even good vs this just asking. Can you link me to the tournament where someone went 6 queens and lost them all to 1 liberator.
it seems very strong, I will tell you that much, and should probably be adjusted a little. But a lot of things do, like as a zerg player I am willing to admit that the current nydus is a bit bullshit.
On July 21 2015 20:57 ZergLingShepherd1 wrote: [quote]
What part of you dont get to spire vs hellbat push + Liberator dont you understand ? If you go 2 base muta you will be able to defend it but you get so far behind that you die to the next bio push.
Because 2 base terran > 2 base zerg, zerg always has to have 1 base more then terran or protoss.
Try roaches and ravagers, kkkk
Ravagers dont work, the ability is to slow, and has only 8-9 range, he can dodge with 2 liberators all day since they buffed the time of switch from AA to ground mode. They broke the Liberator its way to OP
Two Master/GM players have now told you that they currently defend early liberators with ravagers. If you don't believe it, I can't help you. You better bring out some replays how ravager defense fails then.
On July 21 2015 12:06 GGzerG wrote: I think they make going Mutalisks completely pointless, but if you have good Ravenger micro, you can usually kill the liberators / push them away from what I have experienced.
So you can actually defend with a unit that costs 200 Resources early on? That sounds amazing, i bet you are ahead after going fast Ravager, right?
Remember you are defending a unit that costs 300 resources. I've been wondering about going for a heavier queen style (4-6 queens) has anyone tried that?
They rape queens
If they get to the ATG mode in a good position, Queens are 2 shotted not one shot and I think you'd have 2 transfuses when it hits with a 4-6 queen style. I think (going off numbers haven't tried the style wanted to know if anyone else has) that 5/6 queens has enough DPS to kill a liberator before it manages to get to ATG.
I've not tried Ravager, how effective is it and what's the composition afterwards?
its 15 range and if he postions between the space of your 2 and 3 you wont have creep, you will move slow and he will kill your queens.
Do you even play LotV, cuz i see you thraw some ideas that are so lets say impractical ? Have you even watched the red bull torunament where 6 queens where sniped by 1 liberator before even getting to hit it and he used transfuse to.
At least try using that in LotV and then post... cuz man its so dumb.
If you're going for a 4-6 queen style you will easily have creep between your natural and third base. Slightly rich about throwing impractical ideas around, as I said I've not tried going 4-6 queens and was wondering if anyone had tried the style and how it fared, I'm not asserting that it's the best style or even good vs this just asking. Can you link me to the tournament where someone went 6 queens and lost them all to 1 liberator.
Watch the vods where qxc + beastyqt plays they are mostly going for the liberator + hellbat push. And nope you dont have creep toward you 3 when liberator + hellbat comes.
It comes at the 5 min.
My replys can be a bit assholish but im so tired of people defending IMBA stuff and mostly telling me to go ravager vs this when they even dont know if it works.
Best example of Liberator OP is here.
NOTE: Im not saying that Medivac/Tank is OP cuz David Kim noticed that and said that they want a change, they will also change the Cyclone soon with lock-on breaking without vision and only 7 range lock-on.... other tweaks to.
But im hoping they wont make Mech IMBA cuz for now there is no reason to go bio.
Ravagers dont work, the ability is to slow, and has only 8-9 range, he can dodge with 2 liberators all day since they buffed the time of switch from AA to ground mode. They broke the Liberator its way to OP
Two Master/GM players have now told you that they currently defend early liberators with ravagers. If you don't believe it, I can't help you. You better bring out some replays how ravager defense fails then.
On July 21 2015 12:06 GGzerG wrote: I think they make going Mutalisks completely pointless, but if you have good Ravenger micro, you can usually kill the liberators / push them away from what I have experienced.
So you can actually defend with a unit that costs 200 Resources early on? That sounds amazing, i bet you are ahead after going fast Ravager, right?
Remember you are defending a unit that costs 300 resources. I've been wondering about going for a heavier queen style (4-6 queens) has anyone tried that?
They rape queens
If they get to the ATG mode in a good position, Queens are 2 shotted not one shot and I think you'd have 2 transfuses when it hits with a 4-6 queen style. I think (going off numbers haven't tried the style wanted to know if anyone else has) that 5/6 queens has enough DPS to kill a liberator before it manages to get to ATG.
I've not tried Ravager, how effective is it and what's the composition afterwards?
its 15 range and if he postions between the space of your 2 and 3 you wont have creep, you will move slow and he will kill your queens.
Do you even play LotV, cuz i see you thraw some ideas that are so lets say impractical ? Have you even watched the red bull torunament where 6 queens where sniped by 1 liberator before even getting to hit it and he used transfuse to.
At least try using that in LotV and then post... cuz man its so dumb.
If you're going for a 4-6 queen style you will easily have creep between your natural and third base. Slightly rich about throwing impractical ideas around, as I said I've not tried going 4-6 queens and was wondering if anyone had tried the style and how it fared, I'm not asserting that it's the best style or even good vs this just asking. Can you link me to the tournament where someone went 6 queens and lost them all to 1 liberator.
Watch the vods where qxc + beastyqt plays they are mostly going for the liberator + hellbat push. And nope you dont have creep toward you 3 when liberator + hellbat comes.
It comes at the 5 min.
My replys can be a bit assholish but im so tired of people defending IMBA stuff and mostly telling me to go ravager vs this when they even dont know if it works.
I'm not defending it, I think it's total BS I was just asking whether a heavy queen style has been tried. What time is the game in the 5hr vod?
edit - I watched the replay at 1:30 he had no creep spread because he hadn't gone for the style I was suggesting he could also have 2 more queens at the time it hits, if he has creep he can zone the liberator out before it gets into that position.
EPT
