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[Patch 6.22] Pre-Season 7 General Discussion - Page 5

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kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
November 12 2016 17:38 GMT
#81
^ played 20 games so far and havent seen a single yi
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
November 12 2016 20:18 GMT
#82
Just had a teammate panic pick me Jungle Fiddles.

Wow.

Fiddlesticks is Trash tier in the new jungle. He just like cannot do Krugs / Chickens, and his dark-wind only does like a third of the damage to the buff camps now.

First clear took me like 5 minutes. Disgusting. It sucks how bad the first champ I ever jungled is right now.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-12 21:00:57
November 12 2016 20:49 GMT
#83
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Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
November 12 2016 23:48 GMT
#84
I'd guess the damage shield benefit from his ults damage reduction considering they benefit from stuff like resists. Personally I never pop ult when the shield is up (unless I'm about to die or need to cleanse CC), if they dont manage to break the shield the ult is sort of wasted.

Alistar being so brutal right now is a combination of the new items, keystones and his ability reworks. He's just straight up overloaded in the current state. Plus he's probably one of the champions benefiting the most from bomb plant, he can make some absolutely rediculous plays with them.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 13 2016 00:34 GMT
#85
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-13 06:29:01
November 13 2016 06:22 GMT
#86
I'd just like to pat myself on the head for calling Vi's broken-ness.

Man she interacts with everything weird though.

o.o

I had a Lee Sin Q to me, and I Q'd towards him... Every other contact interaction KnockUp (Sej, Zac, Aatrox, J4, Riven, Malph, Reksai, Gragas, even Singed, Voli, and Kalista ult) in the game would have the Lee knocked up before his Q lands, him doing no damage because his skill fizzled. Vi apparently just ghosts through Lee and Lee Q finishes? I dunno, was fundamentally impossible for me to miss him with him already Qing at me, unless he W'd but I took Q second strike damage.

Also Q-Flash works weird as fuck on her. Or maybe it just doesn't work... but that would be weird because that shit works on every other champion listed above unless I have the fat fingers and shit mechanics. Which is possible, I'm old man status for sure.

To think if her shit worked properly she might be even better than 54.7% winrate in Plat+

Not sure if CoC or TLords is better. Think it depends on composition. If they have no AoE and you have a good damage soak (think Alistar, poppy) then TLords best. If they have lots of residual damage and / or you dont really have other front liners, you want CoC because lets be real, aint nobody building defensive stats on Vi. LOL.
Complete
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
November 13 2016 07:26 GMT
#87
Vi knocks Lee sin out of his 2nd q unless something changed this patch. Done it a hundred times.

Q flash only works if you flash right at the end of her Q. It's really hard to do (unless you mean Q->Flash->Q that's ezmode).

Where do you see her winrate on this patch?
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
November 13 2016 14:36 GMT
#88
Vi's kit has a bunch of weird bugs and interactions, specifically tied to her Q and R. The sooner Riot fixes them the better.

As for her win rate I think it'll jump slightly, and for the competitive side of things she'll probably be one of the first options for jungle champs outside of the current meta of Olaf/Hecarim/Nidalee/Lee Sin/Rek'Sai. So in other words, probably rarely if ever.
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-13 15:34:58
November 13 2016 15:32 GMT
#89
I am so happy Riot took out normal draft, because "no one played it". I played with some casual friends, but now we can't do it. We range from bronze to plat (talking about flex elo) and we either don't play, or we play the cancer that is blind pick, which all of us hate.

What's the point? Last season they ruined the ranked experience, so every casual flocked dynamic Q. Now they ruin the casual experience, so people are forced to play ranked, but there's no real ranked yet, just this abomination which is flex queue.

Geez. Just erase the rank restrictions in flex queue and let it embrace its cancerous self. No one will take it serious anyway, so at least let us play there.

I can't even make a point there by just playing casually. Went Asol Anivia bot lane with my duo, we rushed tear and Mejai, we were like 1/12 combined early, and ended winning the damn game with 20+ mejai stacks because how unbalanced that queue is even with restrictions.

Riot never ceases to amaze me with their incompetence.

JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 13 2016 15:46 GMT
#90
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-13 15:51:19
November 13 2016 15:51 GMT
#91
On November 14 2016 00:46 JimmiC wrote:
Whats really odd is that different servers have different game modes because NA still has normal draft.

It's based on population, not use.

they cut off normal draft and eventually 3's depending on server population. the South american servers dont have ranked 3's and stuff, in the past at least. dunno about now.

Funnels players into the same queues to reduce wait time.
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
November 13 2016 19:22 GMT
#92
How the hell does this work?

Played a game of Ryze, was expecting an S rank with a score of 17-6-21 and I get a A-. Meanwhile the Riven on our team gets an S- with a score of 16-9-11. How the hell does he get an S rank with a worse score then me? Not only was my score better but I did far more damage then he did. I got screwed out of a chest -_-
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 13 2016 19:35 GMT
#93
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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-13 19:40:04
November 13 2016 19:39 GMT
#94
On November 14 2016 04:22 Disengaged wrote:
How the hell does this work?

Played a game of Ryze, was expecting an S rank with a score of 17-6-21 and I get a A-. Meanwhile the Riven on our team gets an S- with a score of 16-9-11. How the hell does he get an S rank with a worse score then me? Not only was my score better but I did far more damage then he did. I got screwed out of a chest -_-


Because it is relative to the champion you play. Ryzes do better on average than Rivens, so the Riven was in the upper percentiles of Rivens based on their scoring algorithms while you were not.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
November 13 2016 20:13 GMT
#95
also what JimmiC said, it seems to value farm a lot more than kda
Carrilord has arrived.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
November 13 2016 20:25 GMT
#96
On November 13 2016 23:36 Kinie wrote:
Vi's kit has a bunch of weird bugs and interactions, specifically tied to her Q and R. The sooner Riot fixes them the better.

As for her win rate I think it'll jump slightly, and for the competitive side of things she'll probably be one of the first options for jungle champs outside of the current meta of Olaf/Hecarim/Nidalee/Lee Sin/Rek'Sai. So in other words, probably rarely if ever.


She's better than hec / reksai, imo.

Reksai in a bad spot. She used to do everything above average but now she is just decidedly average at most things. Most cases right now I think you're better off picking a jungler that does what you want reksai to do.

Guess that's what happens when you nerf a champion 10 patches in a row.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-13 20:34:46
November 13 2016 20:34 GMT
#97
On November 14 2016 05:25 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2016 23:36 Kinie wrote:
Vi's kit has a bunch of weird bugs and interactions, specifically tied to her Q and R. The sooner Riot fixes them the better.

As for her win rate I think it'll jump slightly, and for the competitive side of things she'll probably be one of the first options for jungle champs outside of the current meta of Olaf/Hecarim/Nidalee/Lee Sin/Rek'Sai. So in other words, probably rarely if ever.


She's better than hec / reksai, imo.

Reksai in a bad spot. She used to do everything above average but now she is just decidedly average at most things. Most cases right now I think you're better off picking a jungler that does what you want reksai to do.

Guess that's what happens when you nerf a champion 10 patches in a row.


Nah. She was always pretty average in soloQ. Tremor sense, tunnels, and her map movement with ult are just incredibly OP for pros. Her winrate for soloq, when professionally balanced is probably going to around 45%.
Freeeeeeedom
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
November 13 2016 22:07 GMT
#98
On November 14 2016 05:34 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2016 05:25 iCanada wrote:
On November 13 2016 23:36 Kinie wrote:
Vi's kit has a bunch of weird bugs and interactions, specifically tied to her Q and R. The sooner Riot fixes them the better.

As for her win rate I think it'll jump slightly, and for the competitive side of things she'll probably be one of the first options for jungle champs outside of the current meta of Olaf/Hecarim/Nidalee/Lee Sin/Rek'Sai. So in other words, probably rarely if ever.


She's better than hec / reksai, imo.

Reksai in a bad spot. She used to do everything above average but now she is just decidedly average at most things. Most cases right now I think you're better off picking a jungler that does what you want reksai to do.

Guess that's what happens when you nerf a champion 10 patches in a row.


Nah. She was always pretty average in soloQ. Tremor sense, tunnels, and her map movement with ult are just incredibly OP for pros. Her winrate for soloq, when professionally balanced is probably going to around 45%.


She can be quite oppressive in solo queue too. When she was it didn't matter what the enemy jungler did well she could pace them in that facet then dominate them in other facets.

There were a few patches there where aside from Nidalee, Rek'Sai was nearly unbeatable matchup wise and you just hoped to keep up sorta and get carried. She's been pick/ban worthy in solo queue for sure.

You can argue tremor sense is better in pro play but it's still retarded good in soloqueue
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
November 13 2016 23:07 GMT
#99
Is titanic hydra into GA as mandatory as it feels on the melee AD junglers?
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
November 13 2016 23:32 GMT
#100
Unpopular opinion: I like plants
Carrilord has arrived.
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