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On November 01 2015 21:33 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2015 20:53 LaNague wrote:hey Plexa i found another use:  C L G btw after reading the CLG announcement, i dont think that DL left them, he most certainly got kicked by someone being very vindictive. all round baby Show nested quote +On November 01 2015 21:05 killerdog wrote:On November 01 2015 20:43 Mensol wrote:
Doublelift probably asked HSGG to kick him because he once said im never going to leave CLG unless i get kicked. But why would he do it? Even just an ambiguous "parting ways" reason would do less damage to his brand then openly kicking the main player "clg" fans are actually a fan of. He just committed brand seppuku On November 01 2015 19:04 Plexa wrote:On November 01 2015 19:00 DystopiaX wrote:On November 01 2015 18:48 Plexa wrote:On November 01 2015 18:18 Sent. wrote:
CLG is donezo and TSM Doublelift sounds crazier than EG Huk, wow I think this move will be about as successful as EG.Huk Hard to tell what will happen with TSM seeing as there are 3 positions left open lol I don't think adding more personalities/strong opinions to TSM is a recipe for success regardless of who else they pick up  Well having quiet/submissive people wasn't working either. Besides, if they get good players for the other roles (zion/impact, rush, a decent support) there aren't really any NA teams that could beat that. C9 is rip, TIP is rip, TL seems rip, clg is VERY rip. There isn't anyone to compete with TSM for good players, and there won't be anyone who can beat them once lcs starts again :o The on paper roster analysis really doesn't indicate team performance. Pob joining CLG seemed like a meh move but turned out to be one of the great pickups of the summer split. Roccat "won the preseason trades" ended up middle of the pack. Fnatic were rip, turned out to be god tier. A lot of those non-skill factors have played a significant role in determining the teams success.
POB joining clg was clg replacing their biggets problem (link) with a player who wasn't terrible... People weren't hugely hyped for pobelter specifically because almost any decent mid laner would have been a massive improvement, And it was hardly the thing that magically won them the season either.
Roccat are playing in a region which had multiple good teams, rather then the ruins of NA where pretty much ever even semi decent team has been gutted except TSM.
Your only basis for TSM not being the best team seems to be "FNC might happen again," which is hardly robust analysis.
If anything TSM's biggest issue has been the fact that all their players (including bjergsen) are way too submissive and introverted to be the voice of the team. Double lift definitely doesn't have this issue. As long as regi can tone down the ego enough to not stab double in his sleep after an argument, I think this looks like one of the best lineup changes that could have happened for TSM, and they still have two spots open for non residents, so they can pretty much pimp the rest of the lineup however they want.
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On November 01 2015 22:14 Ansibled wrote:
I wonder what the GOATs take on all of this is.
From my talks with him on reddit "This is maybe the only acceptable replacement for Turtle IMO. Even then Turtle is still really good.."
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The issue with that KD is that you don't want Doublelift to be a voice on your team. TSM needs a leader/captain for their team to not only do the ingame decisions but also bring them together as a unit. Doublelift can't do those things. He may even unintentionally hinder them. I'm worried that TSM may just keep adding in "good players" and not fix that issue.
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On November 01 2015 22:51 Numy wrote:
The issue with that KD is that you don't want Doublelift to be a voice on your team. TSM needs a leader/captain for their team to not only do the ingame decisions but also bring them together as a unit. Doublelift can't do those things. He may even hinder unintentionally hinder them. I'm worried that TSM may just keep adding in "good players" and not fix that issue.
Bjergsen leading Doublelift in game.
If it ends well, LimpingGOAT will be banned again even before first LCS Spring 2016 week ends, if not IEM San Jose.
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On November 01 2015 15:05 Shikyo wrote:
So strange. Doublelift had numerous seasons where CLG dragged him down and he had tons of opportunities to leave when it made more sense. Then he has success with them, finally, and then he leaves the team(that is getting rid of all their best players despite winning NA).
It's as if CLG / doublelift consider bombing at worlds a failure instead of the expected outcome.
On November 01 2015 19:41 Numy wrote:
So weird that after all these years of DL staying on a mediocre CLG he leaves/kicked when they finally manage to do something. Well this is something I wanted to happen years ago, while I think CLG's brand is going to suffer they may be able to build a better team going forward. Double is a good player but the problem was he sucked away too much from CLG. At TSM that problem won't happen so both teams may come out better for it.
Doublelift didn't leave, he was kicked.
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On November 01 2015 22:58 Zato-1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2015 15:05 Shikyo wrote:
So strange. Doublelift had numerous seasons where CLG dragged him down and he had tons of opportunities to leave when it made more sense. Then he has success with them, finally, and then he leaves the team(that is getting rid of all their best players despite winning NA).
It's as if CLG / doublelift consider bombing at worlds a failure instead of the expected outcome. Show nested quote +On November 01 2015 19:41 Numy wrote:
So weird that after all these years of DL staying on a mediocre CLG he leaves/kicked when they finally manage to do something. Well this is something I wanted to happen years ago, while I think CLG's brand is going to suffer they may be able to build a better team going forward. Double is a good player but the problem was he sucked away too much from CLG. At TSM that problem won't happen so both teams may come out better for it. Doublelift didn't leave, he was kicked.
PR statements so...
'After painstaking deliberation, it was decided that it was in the best interest of CLG that Doublelift be released from the team.'
Which can literally be DL demanded more money that TSM offered.
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On November 01 2015 23:00 Ansibled wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2015 22:58 Zato-1 wrote:On November 01 2015 15:05 Shikyo wrote:
So strange. Doublelift had numerous seasons where CLG dragged him down and he had tons of opportunities to leave when it made more sense. Then he has success with them, finally, and then he leaves the team(that is getting rid of all their best players despite winning NA).
It's as if CLG / doublelift consider bombing at worlds a failure instead of the expected outcome. On November 01 2015 19:41 Numy wrote:
So weird that after all these years of DL staying on a mediocre CLG he leaves/kicked when they finally manage to do something. Well this is something I wanted to happen years ago, while I think CLG's brand is going to suffer they may be able to build a better team going forward. Double is a good player but the problem was he sucked away too much from CLG. At TSM that problem won't happen so both teams may come out better for it. Doublelift didn't leave, he was kicked. PR statements so... 'After painstaking deliberation, it was decided that it was in the best interest of CLG that Doublelift be released from the team.' Which can literally be DL demanded more money that TSM offered.
This is like the contrary of PR....
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On November 01 2015 23:03 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2015 23:00 Ansibled wrote:On November 01 2015 22:58 Zato-1 wrote:On November 01 2015 15:05 Shikyo wrote:
So strange. Doublelift had numerous seasons where CLG dragged him down and he had tons of opportunities to leave when it made more sense. Then he has success with them, finally, and then he leaves the team(that is getting rid of all their best players despite winning NA).
It's as if CLG / doublelift consider bombing at worlds a failure instead of the expected outcome. On November 01 2015 19:41 Numy wrote:
So weird that after all these years of DL staying on a mediocre CLG he leaves/kicked when they finally manage to do something. Well this is something I wanted to happen years ago, while I think CLG's brand is going to suffer they may be able to build a better team going forward. Double is a good player but the problem was he sucked away too much from CLG. At TSM that problem won't happen so both teams may come out better for it. Doublelift didn't leave, he was kicked. PR statements so... 'After painstaking deliberation, it was decided that it was in the best interest of CLG that Doublelift be released from the team.' Which can literally be DL demanded more money that TSM offered. This is like the contrary of PR....
Well I mean I didn't it say it was done well, lol. Still, Doublelift left and we don't know what the reason for that is so I don't think it's worth saying CLG is to blame at this point.
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On November 01 2015 23:13 Ansibled wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2015 23:03 Redox wrote:On November 01 2015 23:00 Ansibled wrote:On November 01 2015 22:58 Zato-1 wrote:On November 01 2015 15:05 Shikyo wrote:
So strange. Doublelift had numerous seasons where CLG dragged him down and he had tons of opportunities to leave when it made more sense. Then he has success with them, finally, and then he leaves the team(that is getting rid of all their best players despite winning NA).
It's as if CLG / doublelift consider bombing at worlds a failure instead of the expected outcome. On November 01 2015 19:41 Numy wrote:
So weird that after all these years of DL staying on a mediocre CLG he leaves/kicked when they finally manage to do something. Well this is something I wanted to happen years ago, while I think CLG's brand is going to suffer they may be able to build a better team going forward. Double is a good player but the problem was he sucked away too much from CLG. At TSM that problem won't happen so both teams may come out better for it. Doublelift didn't leave, he was kicked. PR statements so... 'After painstaking deliberation, it was decided that it was in the best interest of CLG that Doublelift be released from the team.' Which can literally be DL demanded more money that TSM offered. This is like the contrary of PR.... Well I mean I didn't it say it was done well, lol. Still, Doublelift left and we don't know what the reason for that is so I don't think it's worth saying CLG is to blame at this point.
I'm not saying Doublelift is blameless- if he was kicked, it's fair to assume that he was the protagonist of some serious disagreements with management at the very least. But even if Doublelift is entirely to blame for the falling out between him and the team (which is unlikely), the decision to sever the relationship seems to have come from CLG, not from Doublelift. That's what I mean by "Doublelift was kicked".
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i find all of this very strange. dunno what hotshot is thinking. gl to tsm
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Don't worry guys clg still has xmithie, a fan favorite player that can carry the team. Brand AND results are still alive with him.
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On November 01 2015 23:24 Zato-1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2015 23:13 Ansibled wrote:On November 01 2015 23:03 Redox wrote:On November 01 2015 23:00 Ansibled wrote:On November 01 2015 22:58 Zato-1 wrote:On November 01 2015 15:05 Shikyo wrote:
So strange. Doublelift had numerous seasons where CLG dragged him down and he had tons of opportunities to leave when it made more sense. Then he has success with them, finally, and then he leaves the team(that is getting rid of all their best players despite winning NA).
It's as if CLG / doublelift consider bombing at worlds a failure instead of the expected outcome. On November 01 2015 19:41 Numy wrote:
So weird that after all these years of DL staying on a mediocre CLG he leaves/kicked when they finally manage to do something. Well this is something I wanted to happen years ago, while I think CLG's brand is going to suffer they may be able to build a better team going forward. Double is a good player but the problem was he sucked away too much from CLG. At TSM that problem won't happen so both teams may come out better for it. Doublelift didn't leave, he was kicked. PR statements so... 'After painstaking deliberation, it was decided that it was in the best interest of CLG that Doublelift be released from the team.' Which can literally be DL demanded more money that TSM offered. This is like the contrary of PR.... Well I mean I didn't it say it was done well, lol. Still, Doublelift left and we don't know what the reason for that is so I don't think it's worth saying CLG is to blame at this point. I'm not saying Doublelift is blameless- if he was kicked, it's fair to assume that he was the protagonist of some serious disagreements with management at the very least. But even if Doublelift is entirely to blame for the falling out between him and the team (which is unlikely), the decision to sever the relationship seems to have come from CLG, not from Doublelift. That's what I mean by "Doublelift was kicked".
In which case his demeanor shouldn't be an issue.
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clg should just get chaox and xpecial. chaox had the clg jersey on already some time ago.
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I wish Xpecial could regain his S4 form somehow 
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On November 02 2015 01:28 Miefer wrote:
clg should just get chaox and xpecial. chaox had the clg jersey on already some time ago.
Yeah and since it's TSM Doublelift time to revive the Double/Loco lane.
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On November 01 2015 22:37 killerdog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2015 21:33 Plexa wrote:On November 01 2015 20:53 LaNague wrote:hey Plexa i found another use: C L G btw after reading the CLG announcement, i dont think that DL left them, he most certainly got kicked by someone being very vindictive. all round baby On November 01 2015 21:05 killerdog wrote:On November 01 2015 20:43 Mensol wrote:
Doublelift probably asked HSGG to kick him because he once said im never going to leave CLG unless i get kicked. But why would he do it? Even just an ambiguous "parting ways" reason would do less damage to his brand then openly kicking the main player "clg" fans are actually a fan of. He just committed brand seppuku On November 01 2015 19:04 Plexa wrote:On November 01 2015 19:00 DystopiaX wrote:On November 01 2015 18:48 Plexa wrote:On November 01 2015 18:18 Sent. wrote:
CLG is donezo and TSM Doublelift sounds crazier than EG Huk, wow I think this move will be about as successful as EG.Huk Hard to tell what will happen with TSM seeing as there are 3 positions left open lol I don't think adding more personalities/strong opinions to TSM is a recipe for success regardless of who else they pick up Well having quiet/submissive people wasn't working either. Besides, if they get good players for the other roles (zion/impact, rush, a decent support) there aren't really any NA teams that could beat that. C9 is rip, TIP is rip, TL seems rip, clg is VERY rip. There isn't anyone to compete with TSM for good players, and there won't be anyone who can beat them once lcs starts again :o The on paper roster analysis really doesn't indicate team performance. Pob joining CLG seemed like a meh move but turned out to be one of the great pickups of the summer split. Roccat "won the preseason trades" ended up middle of the pack. Fnatic were rip, turned out to be god tier. A lot of those non-skill factors have played a significant role in determining the teams success. POB joining clg was clg replacing their biggets problem (link) with a player who wasn't terrible... People weren't hugely hyped for pobelter specifically because almost any decent mid laner would have been a massive improvement, And it was hardly the thing that magically won them the season either. Roccat are playing in a region which had multiple good teams, rather then the ruins of NA where pretty much ever even semi decent team has been gutted except TSM. Your only basis for TSM not being the best team seems to be "FNC might happen again," which is hardly robust analysis. If anything TSM's biggest issue has been the fact that all their players (including bjergsen) are way too submissive and introverted to be the voice of the team. Double lift definitely doesn't have this issue. As long as regi can tone down the ego enough to not stab double in his sleep after an argument, I think this looks like one of the best lineup changes that could have happened for TSM, and they still have two spots open for non residents, so they can pretty much pimp the rest of the lineup however they want.
Wat. Wasn't a big issue last split for TSM is that Bejrg was too vocal and dominating team decision making (because everyone else was pretty quiet)?
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Someone please add TSM_Doublelift to the featured streamers' list, he is streaming right now and I almost missed it -_-
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more like everyone else was pretty bad.
on a serious note tsm definitely needs to get their shotcaller on one of the last 3 remaining positions. Bjergsen has shown he's not suited for the role and we know that Doublelift is not an ingame leader. Having someone else as shotcaller also allows Bjergsen & DL to 100% focus on their lane and mechanics.
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lol watching liftlift's stream, he's just dumping on clg
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On November 02 2015 02:53 AsnSensation wrote:
more like everyone else was pretty bad.
on a serious note tsm definitely needs to get their shotcaller on one of the last 3 remaining positions. Bjergsen has shown he's not suited for the role and we know that Doublelift is not an ingame leader. Having someone else as shotcaller also allows Bjergsen & DL to 100% focus on their lane and mechanics.
Thata why they are going to get BunnyFuuFu.
Reginald was going crazy when Rush making plays as well, wouldnt be surprised if they get him as jungler.
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