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Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
December 02 2015 00:35 GMT
#401
It's an assassin buff; most need it anyhow because the champs that are using DFT and Fervor are in a significantly better place.
XDG Mata
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
December 02 2015 00:53 GMT
#402
Ferocity will still be the best for sustained damage dealers.

The new mastery looks potentially broken to me on farming junglers. It says +1.5% damage, not damage to champions.

Maybe increased jungle buff time will still be better for clear speed, but I can imagine a world where always farm never not farm and then split push jungle Tryndamere loves that shit.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-02 01:00:26
December 02 2015 00:56 GMT
#403
How? What keystone do you get on adcs? With more arpen in cunning it makes it even an easier choice.

Fervor is useless now. Ok not useless later in the game if you have good aoe but it is just useless in lane which is a big problem. How can you compare 7% arpen and fervor vs precision+thunderlord in trades?
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
December 02 2015 01:42 GMT
#404
It is entirely possible that for many adcs Thunderlords will be better early and fervor will be better late.

But I think the difference in early game damage won't be as big as you think it is.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
December 02 2015 01:46 GMT
#405
If you can somehow get the stacks up it is similar but in bot lane that doesn't happen you trade 1/2 autos+ an ability pretty much all the time. When the guy with thunderlord wins every single trade how are you supposed to answer that when your damage kicks in after you trade not during?
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
December 02 2015 01:52 GMT
#406
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
December 02 2015 01:52 GMT
#407
By trading again while Thunderlords is on CD.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-02 01:56:11
December 02 2015 01:55 GMT
#408
On December 02 2015 10:52 krndandaman wrote:
unless you are talking about a changed fervor I am not aware of you can keep fervor stacks up simply by autoing/using spells in general. don't have to hit anything or a champion with them

They are changing it to proc only if you hit champions and it gives 2 stacks on a 2sec cd if you hit with an ability. This is the pbe thread I am talking about the changes.

You see ketara when you are already behind the other guy can trade slightly weaker trades with you and still come out ahead. Not to mention precision outperforms battering blows so you would still not even be that fucked. Not to mention they are making precision 5+.5 arpen...
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
December 02 2015 02:01 GMT
#409
The difference in precision amounts to like, 2-3 arpen. Which is significant but not game breaking.

I think if your argument is that you can't trade more than 2 autos, and also can't trade more than once every 20 seconds, you're making a very hypothetical argument.

I mean, precision is really absurdly good, and adcs who have early game bursty trade patterns (Lucian, graves, tristana??) may end up preferring it.

But to say fervor will be useless is a stretch.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
December 02 2015 02:04 GMT
#410
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35142 Posts
December 02 2015 02:06 GMT
#411
On December 02 2015 11:04 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2015 10:55 nafta wrote:
On December 02 2015 10:52 krndandaman wrote:
unless you are talking about a changed fervor I am not aware of you can keep fervor stacks up simply by autoing/using spells in general. don't have to hit anything or a champion with them

They are changing it to proc only if you hit champions and it gives 2 stacks on a 2sec cd if you hit with an ability. This is the pbe thread I am talking about the changes.

You see ketara when you are already behind the other guy can trade slightly weaker trades with you and still come out ahead. Not to mention precision outperforms battering blows so you would still not even be that fucked. Not to mention they are making precision 5+.5 arpen...


wtf? where is this i dont see it on surrender@20
what kind of nerf is that

i guess non thunderlords (cait, twitch, etc?) will go back to warlord's?

It's in one of the previous updates this cycle.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
December 02 2015 02:08 GMT
#412
http://www.surrenderat20.net/p/current-pbe-balance-changes.html > balance changes

Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 02 2015 03:45 GMT
#413
Honestly I'm not sure if thunderlord's needs a nerf like it isn't CRAZY considering the stated purpose of keystone masteries. I think the bigger problem is the other non-tank/healer keystones suck. (considering the nerfed version of furvor)
Carrilord has arrived.
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
December 02 2015 04:32 GMT
#414
I don't think anybody's played with any of the keystones long enough to judge, which is why the only two to get nerfed were egregiously out of line.
XDG Mata
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-03 03:24:50
December 03 2015 03:23 GMT
#415
RFC+Shiv nerf on PBE today.

"Rapid Firecannon and Statikk Shiv will now take greatest potential damage instead of just stacking the damage for an attack"

So you'll still get both procs, but the main target will take about 100 less damage?


Shiv also 100g more expensive.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35142 Posts
December 03 2015 05:06 GMT
#416
On December 03 2015 12:23 Ketara wrote:
RFC+Shiv nerf on PBE today.

"Rapid Firecannon and Statikk Shiv will now take greatest potential damage instead of just stacking the damage for an attack"

So you'll still get both procs, but the main target will take about 100 less damage?


Shiv also 100g more expensive.

Yeah, Zeal got 100 more expensive, so so did all the upgrades.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
December 03 2015 06:41 GMT
#417
Malzahar

Null Zone (W) damage lowered to 4/4.5/5/5.5/6% of max health per second from 4/5/6/7/8%
That Malz nerf D:
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 03 2015 07:50 GMT
#418
yea man every game Malz vs. Swain gotta get that shit outta here
Carrilord has arrived.
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4116 Posts
December 03 2015 08:45 GMT
#419
oh I really dislike the cunning tree, even on burst champions. I don't think that one good mastery (thunderlord) justifies whole shitty tree, nevertheless, with so many nurfs to ferocity key stones, I guess there is not much of a choice left
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
December 03 2015 09:38 GMT
#420
I like the idea of Shiv and Firecannon having a Titanic/ravenous hydra relationship. You can only have one, but you can swap them freely.

These deathfire touch champ nerfs are sad.
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